Quotes From Gethesemane: Part 2
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zelda_queenZeldaQueen: Well, it's high time we finished up with Gethesemane's batshittery. Here we go!
Projection Room Voices: Starting Media in 3...2...1...
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Believe it or not, I was actually flamed for my writing style
ZeldaQueen: Imagine that
because, according to said flamer, I am not supposed to write POTC stories because my writing doesn't sound "piratey,"
ZeldaQueen: Well yeah, it's rather jarring to hear pirates talk like they're from Victorian England
and my OC, who happens to be a pirate (oh look, I made a Mary-Sue!),
ZeldaQueen: Yes, you totally did
doesn't talk like it's Talk Like a Pirate Day. I can't write like that.
ZeldaQueen: You also can't write in faux Ye Olde English either. I'm not sure how to describe your writing, besides "bad"
I tried, and I wasn't comfortable writing in extremely mindless, simple terms (a la Stephenie Meyer; I can't be that mind-numbingly insipid, so shoot me).
ZeldaQueen: *trying her hardest to keep a straight face* I and many others would beg to differ
The only way I'm comfortable with writing is my own style. It's not like I can easily change my style for one story and then write as I usually do in the others.
ZeldaQueen: Um, the answer for that is simple, dearie. Don't write in a genre that clashes with your style
It's like changing the way you draw for one picture and then immediately turning around and going with your usual style for the others.
ZeldaQueen: Actually what you insist on doing is like doing replicas of a variety of paintings from various time periods and locations and painting them in exactly the same style. You're not doing original writing, and even if you were, you need to stick to what's believable, by way of language and dialect. Otherwise, people are going to notice if you use anachronistic language or words or phrases that weren't from that area
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Out of all the fanfiction I've written (or the ones that I can remember), which of the following couples is your favorite and why?
ZeldaQueen: (Gethesemane) "Answer this question, my ducks, for I feel the urge to WANK over my own magnificence!"
I'm just curious; I like to hear from my readers. :D
ZeldaQueen: Yes, it's totally that you just want to keep in touch with your readers and their opinions, as long as the opinions are good ones, that is. If there's any actual criticism you pitch a fit
And I happen to be bored.
ZeldaQueen: Translation - she wants her readers to amuse her. Charming
1) Sephiroth/Mai - The Door to Darkness
2) Xemnas (Xehanort)/ Mai - The Door to Darkness
ZeldaQueen: Hmm, I'll let![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
overlordmikey score those ones
3) Jack Sparrow/Katherine Morgan - Heart of the Sea
ZeldaQueen: Ah yes, the love of one spineless idiot for another, a love that leads them to commit murder. Lovely
4) Davy Jones/Katherine Morgan - Ghosts of the Abyss
ZeldaQueen: What?!? Why them? They had a one-night stand- perhaps the most disgusting one ever, I might add - and you're ranking them up there? I just...what? Wasn't his Tru Wuv that Sirena chick anyway? Just...what?
5) Viktor/Ava Burton - Redeemer
ZeldaQueen: *glares* Oh yes, I know of that pairing. Your stupid Underworld Sue. I'll be having words with her. Suffice to say that any Sue that kicks Selene out of her own fandom is getting sporked in all sorts of tender places
6) Sweeney Todd/Victoria Harker - Salvation
ZeldaQueen: Which is pretty much copypasta of Jack and Kate.
Actually, from what I've seen, all of those couples are just the same. Lord!
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Yeah, so I was reading an email a friend of mine sent me, and she said that she read my Kingdom Hearts story.
ZeldaQueen: Oh yeah, I know that one! That's the one where a beautiful, allegedly talented and rather vague Sue crams her way into a fandom in unexplained ways and gets it all hot and heavy with the residential psycho! Am I right?
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.......
ZeldaQueen: Am I supposed to press the A button to continue or something?
She said that my writing style sounded like Stephenie Meyer's.
ZeldaQueen: *snorts drink out of her nose* OH LORD! *nearly dies laughing*
She's a HUGE Twilight fan and I love her to death, really, I do, but STEPHENIE MEYER?
When was this? :confused:
ZeldaQueen: The truth hurts, doesn't it?
She meant it as a compliment, actually, but still....STEPHENIE MEYER? O_O
ZeldaQueen: You know, I have had the idea of trolling Gethesemane by pretending to be a star-struck fan who innocently compares her work to Meyer's as a compliment. I never actually would have done it, but apparently someone else had the same idea. Question is whether or not it was trolling
I'm not insulted by this at all actually; I'm too confused to be insulted.
ZeldaQueen: Because your limited intelligence has put your brain into reboot.
In all seriousness, I could probably slap together an entire chart of similar plots, characters, and quotes from your fics and Meyer's books. I can't be bothered, but I could
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Okay, I'm going to have a moment and rant.
ZeldaQueen: You always rant. It just means that someone dared to contradict you
All of my watchers, and even those who just casually look around my gallery, know that I'm starting a Swooney Todd fic that's based on the movie.
ZeldaQueen: *double take* I honestly don't know if that's a typo or not. Regardless, I'm totally considering the character in her horrible series "Swooney Todd", the wimpy, love-struck twin of the canon Sweeney Todd
People have been messaging me and telling me he's out of character.
ZeldaQueen: Yeah, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see that
NO. SHIT. SHERLOCK.
ZeldaQueen: So...you're up and admitting that you're writing characters out of character, just for your own warped fantasies?
Yes, he's going to be OOC. I have not seen the movie, only the trailer, which is all I have to go on at this moment; I've never seen the play.
ZeldaQueen: Because the internet and clips of the play on YouTube totally don't exist!
Seriously, she just got mad because other people saw that he was very much out of character (and I mean in all adaptations - the penny dreadful, the musical, the movie of the penny dreadful, the Burton movie, all of them) and she was the one who couldn't be arsed ten seconds of research.
Although, on a separate note, I suspect that this is why Swooney randomly spouts those various l lines in the fic. She wrote out snippets of the fic based on what she pieced from the trailer, and didn't bother to modify them later
You will have to wait until December until I can post the whole fic and then you can decide whether or not it's a Sweeney-sue. But until then, if you don't like it, don't read it.
ZeldaQueen: And if you don't want criticism, why post it at all? Why not keep those ideas private until the finished product is ready? Oh wait, mindless praise. Of course
What I'm posting here is scraps of chapters, or possible chapters, that I write as they come to me. This is like a creative outlet, and there will be times when he'll be OOC. That's the beauty of fanfic, folks. You don't have to be afraid to go outside the lines.
ZeldaQueen: Outside the lines? Arguably. Completely reversing and destroying everything that made up Sweeney's character? Nope
And for those who criticize just to do so without any hint of encouragement or constructive criticism, apparently you don't understand the meaning of CREATIVITY.
ZeldaQueen: You know, blatant lies are also technically creativity, and society tends to frown on them
Once again. Don't like, don't read. Plain and simple. Don't flame ME because you don't like MY writing.
ZeldaQueen: And don't bitch at them because you can't bother to do research!
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All right. Well, I think everyone pretty much agrees on the fact that I have a MAJOR obsession with POTO;
ZeldaQueen: Erm, no comment
I've always been in love with it...er, just him, actually...since I was a baby.
ZeldaQueen: ?!?!??? Well, that certainly puts a new spin on Seven Days!
Well, anyway, Erik knew this about me (I don't know if it's the fact that a whole part of my wardrobe is based on the costumes from the play/movies/books, my Phantom dolls, mask replica, blood-red rose with a black silk ribbon on the stem, or what...I have no idea how he knew this without me telling him....).
ZeldaQueen: I honestly hope that was sarcasm, because if not...
And if I was this Erik dude, I'd be a wee bit concerned that my Dearly Beloved was so obsessed with a fictional character
When it came time for the wedding, I was an emotional trainwreck; I'd be crying one minute, totally floating on clouds the next, then I'd go off in my little emo corner.
ZeldaQueen: And then you'd flounce over flames. Oh, wait...
But when I was walking down the aisle, it was difficult to keep myself from crying, and I do mean DIFFICULT. I looked up, and I nearly fainted. Erik stood at the altar, dressed JUST LIKE the Phantom, including the cloak and half-mask, and his outfit looked just like the Red Death outfit, save it was black with silver trim instead of red with gold trim.
ZeldaQueen: Yeah, and Link's Queen totally had numerous lucid dreams about living with Link in Hyrule. Also, why would you be happy that the guy was getting married in a costume called "Red Death"?
And he looked absolutely GORGEOUS. Erik looks just like Gerard Butler anyway, except Erik's an inch taller, his skin's paler, and his hair is jet-black and a little longer.
ZeldaQueen: In other words, he's a version of Gerard Butler that Gethesemane finds more attractive. Also, didn't she say that she really was married to Gerard? Methinks people started to call her out on her bullshit so she switched from "I'm married to Gerard Butler" to "I'm married to a guy who looks uncannily like Gerard Butler"
But during the ceremony he had his hair slicked back, and I swear, if Gerry were there during the wedding, you would've thought the two were twins.
...So...in a nutshell, I married my own Phantom in Notre Dame!
ZeldaQueen: That sounds like the perfect punchline to a joke.
Wait, Notre Dame? You expect me to believe that you were married in the Notre Dame cathedral? Riiiight
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ZeldaQueen: And here's our last one, ladies and gentlemen. This one relates directly to Ghosts of the Abyss
I feel bad now. I've screwed Katherine over. :cries:
ZeldaQueen: Yes, the way she has two men swooning over her, clinging to her every word and obeying her every comand, the way the universe revolves around her, she's just so screwed over
This is a SPOILER ALERT, so don't read if you've not been keeping up with my fic. ^^;
Calypso's hated Katherine since she first met her.
ZeldaQueen: Which is why Calypso shows no signs of hating Katherine at all in Heart of the Sea. You know, before Gethesemane knew who Tia Dalma actually was *clears through*
Of course, Calypso's hatred for Katherine grows when she discovers Davy's fallen in love with Katherine. So, to get her revenge, Calypso casts a spell on Katherine and makes her miscarry.
ZeldaQueen: Which is never explained, really
Yes, ladies and gents, Katherine is no longer pregnant. :tears:
ZeldaQueen: Because clearly that's the worst possible thing that can happen to a woman. *rolls eyes* Okay, let's ignore the fact that pirates weren't so soppily sentimental and Kate ought to have been well aware that there were a million health hazards that would complicate or ruin her pregnancy. Why would Calypso go straight to that and stop there? Why not kill Barbosa and bring him back to life only to kill him again and so on and so forth? Why not keep her craw shut and let Barbossa have her released so that she can bide her time until Kate has had the frigging baby and then drown it. Or kidnap it away and keep it as her own prisoner. Or, if it's a boy, wait until said boy grew up and then seduce him away from his beloved mater. Or mutate the kid into a hideous monster like she did Davy Jones. There's a million more things Calypso could have done to have shown how viscious and cruel she is!
I really do feel bad. I've made her do all this stuff:
ZeldaQueen: Oh Christ, cue pity party
nearly get killed while trying to save her husband,
ZeldaQueen: When did she nearly get killed? There never was a point in the story when her life was in danger on her way to World's End or back
having an affair,
ZeldaQueen: Yes, an affair that she had a grand time with and which her husband forgave her for without a second's hesitation! There wasn't a single negative consequence to that!
miscarrying...the story's grown much darker than I had originally anticipated.
ZeldaQueen: Dude, those things are weak! I listed up above a ton of ways you could have written things as being dark and evil and scary! And that was all with about two seconds of thinking!
I'm such a bad authoress... :cries: :cries:
ZeldaQueen: Yes, you're a bad writer, though not in the sense that you're using "bad"
Don't worry, though; Katherine will become pregnant again.
ZeldaQueen: Thank God. I know I was tossing and turning in my bed, wondering "Will Katherine ever be pregnant again". That really helps my peace of mind, thank you
I just don't know when, most likely in the sequel to Ghosts of the Abyss, which I will post soon on ff.net.
ZeldaQueen: *snerk* Yeah, that turned out well
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Quotes From Gethesemane: Part 1
Return to the Sporking Chamber
Projection Room Voices: Starting Media in 3...2...1...
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Believe it or not, I was actually flamed for my writing style
ZeldaQueen: Imagine that
because, according to said flamer, I am not supposed to write POTC stories because my writing doesn't sound "piratey,"
ZeldaQueen: Well yeah, it's rather jarring to hear pirates talk like they're from Victorian England
and my OC, who happens to be a pirate (oh look, I made a Mary-Sue!),
ZeldaQueen: Yes, you totally did
doesn't talk like it's Talk Like a Pirate Day. I can't write like that.
ZeldaQueen: You also can't write in faux Ye Olde English either. I'm not sure how to describe your writing, besides "bad"
I tried, and I wasn't comfortable writing in extremely mindless, simple terms (a la Stephenie Meyer; I can't be that mind-numbingly insipid, so shoot me).
ZeldaQueen: *trying her hardest to keep a straight face* I and many others would beg to differ
The only way I'm comfortable with writing is my own style. It's not like I can easily change my style for one story and then write as I usually do in the others.
ZeldaQueen: Um, the answer for that is simple, dearie. Don't write in a genre that clashes with your style
It's like changing the way you draw for one picture and then immediately turning around and going with your usual style for the others.
ZeldaQueen: Actually what you insist on doing is like doing replicas of a variety of paintings from various time periods and locations and painting them in exactly the same style. You're not doing original writing, and even if you were, you need to stick to what's believable, by way of language and dialect. Otherwise, people are going to notice if you use anachronistic language or words or phrases that weren't from that area
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Out of all the fanfiction I've written (or the ones that I can remember), which of the following couples is your favorite and why?
ZeldaQueen: (Gethesemane) "Answer this question, my ducks, for I feel the urge to WANK over my own magnificence!"
I'm just curious; I like to hear from my readers. :D
ZeldaQueen: Yes, it's totally that you just want to keep in touch with your readers and their opinions, as long as the opinions are good ones, that is. If there's any actual criticism you pitch a fit
And I happen to be bored.
ZeldaQueen: Translation - she wants her readers to amuse her. Charming
1) Sephiroth/Mai - The Door to Darkness
2) Xemnas (Xehanort)/ Mai - The Door to Darkness
ZeldaQueen: Hmm, I'll let
overlordmikey score those ones 3) Jack Sparrow/Katherine Morgan - Heart of the Sea
ZeldaQueen: Ah yes, the love of one spineless idiot for another, a love that leads them to commit murder. Lovely
4) Davy Jones/Katherine Morgan - Ghosts of the Abyss
ZeldaQueen: What?!? Why them? They had a one-night stand- perhaps the most disgusting one ever, I might add - and you're ranking them up there? I just...what? Wasn't his Tru Wuv that Sirena chick anyway? Just...what?
5) Viktor/Ava Burton - Redeemer
ZeldaQueen: *glares* Oh yes, I know of that pairing. Your stupid Underworld Sue. I'll be having words with her. Suffice to say that any Sue that kicks Selene out of her own fandom is getting sporked in all sorts of tender places
6) Sweeney Todd/Victoria Harker - Salvation
ZeldaQueen: Which is pretty much copypasta of Jack and Kate.
Actually, from what I've seen, all of those couples are just the same. Lord!
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Yeah, so I was reading an email a friend of mine sent me, and she said that she read my Kingdom Hearts story.
ZeldaQueen: Oh yeah, I know that one! That's the one where a beautiful, allegedly talented and rather vague Sue crams her way into a fandom in unexplained ways and gets it all hot and heavy with the residential psycho! Am I right?
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.......
ZeldaQueen: Am I supposed to press the A button to continue or something?
She said that my writing style sounded like Stephenie Meyer's.
ZeldaQueen: *snorts drink out of her nose* OH LORD! *nearly dies laughing*
She's a HUGE Twilight fan and I love her to death, really, I do, but STEPHENIE MEYER?
When was this? :confused:
ZeldaQueen: The truth hurts, doesn't it?
She meant it as a compliment, actually, but still....STEPHENIE MEYER? O_O
ZeldaQueen: You know, I have had the idea of trolling Gethesemane by pretending to be a star-struck fan who innocently compares her work to Meyer's as a compliment. I never actually would have done it, but apparently someone else had the same idea. Question is whether or not it was trolling
I'm not insulted by this at all actually; I'm too confused to be insulted.
ZeldaQueen: Because your limited intelligence has put your brain into reboot.
In all seriousness, I could probably slap together an entire chart of similar plots, characters, and quotes from your fics and Meyer's books. I can't be bothered, but I could
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Okay, I'm going to have a moment and rant.
ZeldaQueen: You always rant. It just means that someone dared to contradict you
All of my watchers, and even those who just casually look around my gallery, know that I'm starting a Swooney Todd fic that's based on the movie.
ZeldaQueen: *double take* I honestly don't know if that's a typo or not. Regardless, I'm totally considering the character in her horrible series "Swooney Todd", the wimpy, love-struck twin of the canon Sweeney Todd
People have been messaging me and telling me he's out of character.
ZeldaQueen: Yeah, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see that
NO. SHIT. SHERLOCK.
ZeldaQueen: So...you're up and admitting that you're writing characters out of character, just for your own warped fantasies?
Yes, he's going to be OOC. I have not seen the movie, only the trailer, which is all I have to go on at this moment; I've never seen the play.
ZeldaQueen: Because the internet and clips of the play on YouTube totally don't exist!
Seriously, she just got mad because other people saw that he was very much out of character (and I mean in all adaptations - the penny dreadful, the musical, the movie of the penny dreadful, the Burton movie, all of them) and she was the one who couldn't be arsed ten seconds of research.
Although, on a separate note, I suspect that this is why Swooney randomly spouts those various l lines in the fic. She wrote out snippets of the fic based on what she pieced from the trailer, and didn't bother to modify them later
You will have to wait until December until I can post the whole fic and then you can decide whether or not it's a Sweeney-sue. But until then, if you don't like it, don't read it.
ZeldaQueen: And if you don't want criticism, why post it at all? Why not keep those ideas private until the finished product is ready? Oh wait, mindless praise. Of course
What I'm posting here is scraps of chapters, or possible chapters, that I write as they come to me. This is like a creative outlet, and there will be times when he'll be OOC. That's the beauty of fanfic, folks. You don't have to be afraid to go outside the lines.
ZeldaQueen: Outside the lines? Arguably. Completely reversing and destroying everything that made up Sweeney's character? Nope
And for those who criticize just to do so without any hint of encouragement or constructive criticism, apparently you don't understand the meaning of CREATIVITY.
ZeldaQueen: You know, blatant lies are also technically creativity, and society tends to frown on them
Once again. Don't like, don't read. Plain and simple. Don't flame ME because you don't like MY writing.
ZeldaQueen: And don't bitch at them because you can't bother to do research!
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All right. Well, I think everyone pretty much agrees on the fact that I have a MAJOR obsession with POTO;
ZeldaQueen: Erm, no comment
I've always been in love with it...er, just him, actually...since I was a baby.
ZeldaQueen: ?!?!??? Well, that certainly puts a new spin on Seven Days!
Well, anyway, Erik knew this about me (I don't know if it's the fact that a whole part of my wardrobe is based on the costumes from the play/movies/books, my Phantom dolls, mask replica, blood-red rose with a black silk ribbon on the stem, or what...I have no idea how he knew this without me telling him....).
ZeldaQueen: I honestly hope that was sarcasm, because if not...
And if I was this Erik dude, I'd be a wee bit concerned that my Dearly Beloved was so obsessed with a fictional character
When it came time for the wedding, I was an emotional trainwreck; I'd be crying one minute, totally floating on clouds the next, then I'd go off in my little emo corner.
ZeldaQueen: And then you'd flounce over flames. Oh, wait...
But when I was walking down the aisle, it was difficult to keep myself from crying, and I do mean DIFFICULT. I looked up, and I nearly fainted. Erik stood at the altar, dressed JUST LIKE the Phantom, including the cloak and half-mask, and his outfit looked just like the Red Death outfit, save it was black with silver trim instead of red with gold trim.
ZeldaQueen: Yeah, and Link's Queen totally had numerous lucid dreams about living with Link in Hyrule. Also, why would you be happy that the guy was getting married in a costume called "Red Death"?
And he looked absolutely GORGEOUS. Erik looks just like Gerard Butler anyway, except Erik's an inch taller, his skin's paler, and his hair is jet-black and a little longer.
ZeldaQueen: In other words, he's a version of Gerard Butler that Gethesemane finds more attractive. Also, didn't she say that she really was married to Gerard? Methinks people started to call her out on her bullshit so she switched from "I'm married to Gerard Butler" to "I'm married to a guy who looks uncannily like Gerard Butler"
But during the ceremony he had his hair slicked back, and I swear, if Gerry were there during the wedding, you would've thought the two were twins.
...So...in a nutshell, I married my own Phantom in Notre Dame!
ZeldaQueen: That sounds like the perfect punchline to a joke.
Wait, Notre Dame? You expect me to believe that you were married in the Notre Dame cathedral? Riiiight
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ZeldaQueen: And here's our last one, ladies and gentlemen. This one relates directly to Ghosts of the Abyss
I feel bad now. I've screwed Katherine over. :cries:
ZeldaQueen: Yes, the way she has two men swooning over her, clinging to her every word and obeying her every comand, the way the universe revolves around her, she's just so screwed over
This is a SPOILER ALERT, so don't read if you've not been keeping up with my fic. ^^;
Calypso's hated Katherine since she first met her.
ZeldaQueen: Which is why Calypso shows no signs of hating Katherine at all in Heart of the Sea. You know, before Gethesemane knew who Tia Dalma actually was *clears through*
Of course, Calypso's hatred for Katherine grows when she discovers Davy's fallen in love with Katherine. So, to get her revenge, Calypso casts a spell on Katherine and makes her miscarry.
ZeldaQueen: Which is never explained, really
Yes, ladies and gents, Katherine is no longer pregnant. :tears:
ZeldaQueen: Because clearly that's the worst possible thing that can happen to a woman. *rolls eyes* Okay, let's ignore the fact that pirates weren't so soppily sentimental and Kate ought to have been well aware that there were a million health hazards that would complicate or ruin her pregnancy. Why would Calypso go straight to that and stop there? Why not kill Barbosa and bring him back to life only to kill him again and so on and so forth? Why not keep her craw shut and let Barbossa have her released so that she can bide her time until Kate has had the frigging baby and then drown it. Or kidnap it away and keep it as her own prisoner. Or, if it's a boy, wait until said boy grew up and then seduce him away from his beloved mater. Or mutate the kid into a hideous monster like she did Davy Jones. There's a million more things Calypso could have done to have shown how viscious and cruel she is!
I really do feel bad. I've made her do all this stuff:
ZeldaQueen: Oh Christ, cue pity party
nearly get killed while trying to save her husband,
ZeldaQueen: When did she nearly get killed? There never was a point in the story when her life was in danger on her way to World's End or back
having an affair,
ZeldaQueen: Yes, an affair that she had a grand time with and which her husband forgave her for without a second's hesitation! There wasn't a single negative consequence to that!
miscarrying...the story's grown much darker than I had originally anticipated.
ZeldaQueen: Dude, those things are weak! I listed up above a ton of ways you could have written things as being dark and evil and scary! And that was all with about two seconds of thinking!
I'm such a bad authoress... :cries: :cries:
ZeldaQueen: Yes, you're a bad writer, though not in the sense that you're using "bad"
Don't worry, though; Katherine will become pregnant again.
ZeldaQueen: Thank God. I know I was tossing and turning in my bed, wondering "Will Katherine ever be pregnant again". That really helps my peace of mind, thank you
I just don't know when, most likely in the sequel to Ghosts of the Abyss, which I will post soon on ff.net.
ZeldaQueen: *snerk* Yeah, that turned out well
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Date: 2011-06-02 03:15 am (UTC)Also, how the heck is her story DARK if all the things she CLAIMS make it dark (miscarriage, affairs, near-death experience) are just handwaved away and forgotten or forgiven instantly? Show us some real consequences for these things, then we'll see how dark it is and say "you're so mean to your OC."