Time To Fix The Mistakes: Chapter 1 - Even The Hardest Stones Crumble (Part 1)

[zelda_queen]

ZeldaQueen: Well, ladies and gentlemen, if I had a nickle for every time someone complained about the Deathly Hallows epilogue, I'd...well I'd be a rich woman, that's for certain. And about eighty percent of the time, people use the epilogue as a reason to whine about how mean Rowling is, how she only put it there just to spoil the fun of shippers who wanted to continue to remain delusional about who Harry ended up with (I've heard much the same argument about her putting pictures of girls in Sirius's room). I've maintained the viewpoint that it's hardly like these shippers let things like canon get in their way and sure enough, writers do manage to find ways to "fix" things up. And lo, one such writer - DisobedienceWriter - has brought us this piece of work. It's got Ginny-hate aplenty as well as an extraordinarily nasty and dark Harry. So without further ado, let us begin!

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Chapter 1: Even The Hardest Stones Crumble (Part 1)

A/N: The Deathly Hallows Epilogue was truly unsatisfying. Here's the rest of the story that begins about two years after the DH Epilogue.

ZeldaQueen: Yep, it's one of those fanfics. And "the rest of the story"? DW, you do know that this isn't canon, right?

Not for Ginny enthusiasts.

ZeldaQueen: Trust me folks, that there is a massive understatement.

Character Deaths. Time Travel. Avenging!Harry.

ZeldaQueen: Is that like an avenging angel?

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Chapter 1: Even the Hardest Stones Crumble

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July 31, 2018

ZeldaQueen: Technically that's only one year, but meh.

Harry Potter was enjoying his Sunday morning. He had just turned thirty-eight years old. He had three wonderful children and a wife he loved. He had a quiet morning planned before the boisterous party occurred in the afternoon and early evening.

ZeldaQueen: Aw, isn't this sweet? Just seems like nothing will go wrong, eh?

His wife loved birthday parties…even for her 'oldest child,' Harry.

ZeldaQueen: Erm, what? Is DW implying that Ginny has some bizarre mother-son thing going for her husband?

"Speak of the devil…" Harry murmured when Ginny came into Harry's study with a plate full of something that smelled good.

ZeldaQueen: "Speak of the devil"? Oh I see what you did thar!

"I baked it fresh this morning…"

ZeldaQueen: (Ginny) "Hippogriff droppings. Yum, yum!"

"It smells lovely, but isn't it a touch early for birthday cake?"

ZeldaQueen: Hey, it's never to early for any sort of cake!

Ginny gave an odd sort of laugh. "It's coffee cake, silly. Blueberry and cinnamon. Found the recipe in one of mum's old books."

Harry lit up in a smile. "I always did love Molly's cooking." Harry pulled the plate from his wife's hand and took a bite.

ZeldaQueen: Wah? He bit her hand?

Ginny looked at her husband as he chewed.

ZeldaQueen: (Ginny) "Um Harry? Do you think maybe you could chew with your mouth closed? It's just that the crumbs get everywhere and I just cleaned..."

"We'll have chocolate cake for pudding after dinner…"

"Brilliant."

Ginny walked out of the room and Harry quickly spat out the disgusting coffee cake. It had smelled so promising, too. He loved Ginny, he really did, but she surely hadn't inherited her mother's talent for cooking and baking.

ZeldaQueen: See this? That's the author showing us that Harry really does love Ginny! Of course! It's not his fault what's going to happen!

"I hope she got the elves to bake the birthday cake," Harry muttered.

ZeldaQueen: Ah yes, after years of Hermione crusading for House Elf rights, after his friendship with Dobby and Kreacher, Harry would keep House Elves. And yes, I know he has Kreacher. Note the plural though.

The cake had certainly not been very sweet and had a rather unpleasant, even metallic taste to it. Par for the course. Ginny managed to screw up nearly every kind of baked good. The kitchen was usually the domain of the elves or Harry. The lessons he had learned the hard way at the hands and fists of the Dursleys were ones he still practiced.

ZeldaQueen: See? Ginny sucks! And her food isn't sweet! See what the author did thar?

Harry did try to ensure his children had some skill in the kitchen. He had taught all three of his children some basic cooking skills… He smiled thinking about his little brood. He loved each of his children: his Gryffindor James, his Ravenclaw Albus, and his Hufflepuff Lily. Each was a perfect person, flaws and all. James smiled thinking of the time the three of them had last pranked him: a hair growth potion did have quite a few possible uses, didn't it?

ZeldaQueen: Ah yes, Saint Harry is rhapsodizing about his kids. Not that I don't think canon Harry didn't love his children but c'mon, "you'll share a room with Al when I want the house demolished" and the above musings don't quite mesh. And "James smiled"? Shouldn't that be Harry?

He'd wanted a larger family, but Ginny hadn't become pregnant again. Such is Potter-style luck.

ZeldaQueen: Ginny sucks, don't you know? Shame on her for not being able to get pregnant. Potter-style luck? What? I wasn't aware that the Potter family before them had trouble having children. And three children is hardly a small family.

He contented himself with three beautiful children&hellip

The thought stopped in his head as he suddenly felt sick to his stomach.

ZeldaQueen: Huh. Harry must have been reading this fic with me.

He was also in severe pain which just added to his wave of nausea.

He stumbled to his feet. "Ginny," he called out.

ZeldaQueen: (Harry) "Fetch me the Gas-X and clear out the bathroom! I think I'm going to be awhile!"

He made it downstairs before he was doubled over in pain. Then he came across the dining room. His children…his beautiful children…were all seated, slumped forward, but none of them were breathing.

ZeldaQueen: So wait, Harry is able to stumble around while in pain but his kids just sat nicely at the table while they died?

"Help! Ginny, help."

Harry slumped against the table. His hand was out feeling for Albus' pulse. Nothing. James had none. Little Lily…oh, god. She was dead as well.

ZeldaQueen: You know, when people aren't breathing, they usually are considered dead. And again, Harry is dying and has time to check for pulses?

"Ginny!"

Finally Harry saw his wife saunter slowly from the kitchen.

"You're still moving, Harry? I wouldn't have expected that with the dose I gave you…"

ZeldaQueen: Ginny's EEEVILLLL!!!

"You? You killed my children?"

ZeldaQueen: Erm, unless this is an M-Preg fanfic, I believe they're Ginny's kids too...

Ginny laughed. "You think I wanted to be a brood mare for your messy haired children? I had a career before I married you, Harry, now I can go back to Quidditch and have the Potter fortune and fame to my name. The sad widow. Because of the stupid Potter entailment rules, I just had to wait for the last child to reach age 12 before I enacted my little plan. Otherwise I'd have done this years earlier, you foolish –"

ZeldaQueen: Holy heck, the author doesn't waste time getting to business! And I don't buy this. Nope. If Ginny didn't want to have children, she would have told Harry from the beginning. And Harry would never have forced her. Even if he did, for some reason, she would have left him, not gone to an elaborate plot to murder all of them. That's not to mention the fact that Ginny still does have a career after she's married with kids!

Not to mention that the entire plan is just stupid. So Harry and his three children mysteriously drop dead from poisoning and Ginny is the only one left, with no one to blame the deaths on. Yeah, realllll smart there. Even if she wasn't arrested, she'd probably fall under a lot of stigmata, especially when everyone finds out that she conveniently gets a lot of money afterward. Look at how many people hate Courtney Love, for crying out loud!

As for the "Potter entailment rules", what? Okay, so how does that work? The widow can only inherit her husband's money when the kids are a certain age? Well why twelve? What significance does that have? And why would the money only pass to her if they were older? If the rest of the Potter family was dead, where else would the fortune go? It's not really like Harry's got some distant cousin who'd inherit it.

Add in the fact that it's pretty much lifted from any soap opera and I'd like to say "fail"

At that, Harry wandlessly broke his wife's neck.

ZeldaQueen: . . .

Well that was decisive of him

He was crying in pain and grief for his children, but he'd never shed a tear for that woman. If he survived this, he would pay to have her soul excised by a necromancer. All remnants of her life and soul should be removed from the world.

He summoned his wand from his study and began sending Patronus messaging spells out as fast as he could manage. He called for the Potter elves for help. He then clutched his nearest child, poor little Albus, as he succumbed to the darkness.

ZeldaQueen: You know, I don't seem to recall him showing this level of hatred for Voldemort, the guy who killed Harry's parents. And I love how Harry's dying of poison and was still able to muster the strength to snap Ginny's neck and muse over how much he suddenly hates her, without any regret or confusion as to why she did what she did.

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August 3, 2018

Harry woke up in St. Mungo's three days after his children died – and he executed his wife for familial betrayal (which the purebloods of old had put and kept on the books as a crime).

ZeldaQueen: Oh, he executed her. Yes, DW, dress it up as nice as you want. He murdered Ginny. And what's that about the purebloods of old? I don't understand. Is it supposed to be that Harry is justified in murdering his wife like that? Sounds an awful lot like stoning one's adulterous wife to death because the Bible puts down that you should (apologies if I got the reference wrong).

Harry was visited by his Healers first, but he couldn't even ask about his own condition.

"Did my children suffer?"

ZeldaQueen: Don't worry Harry, they escaped from this fic as fast as possible. They're all the happier for it.

Healer Magnusson tried to shake his head, but he ended up shrugging.

ZeldaQueen: That must have looked strange.

"They each consumed the cake, where you only had some in your mouth before spitting it out. I'd suspect the compound acted quickly…"

ZeldaQueen: What? How does that even work? I wasn't aware that if one doesn't digest poison, it still hurts you. And if the cake tasted so bad, I find it hard to believe that three kids would eat it instead of spitting it out also.

"What did she poison us with?"

"We're still trying to figure it out, Mr. Potter. The Aurors found the remainder of that vile concoction in the kitchen…"

"I don't care what it costs. Find out. I have to know how she destroyed my family…" Harry wasn't crying at this, but his voice was filled with emotion stronger than mere anger.

ZeldaQueen: HARRY-SMASH!

"I'm very sorry, Mr. Potter."

"Thank you." It was genuine, but the Healer left the room wondering if Harry would have preferred not surviving the poisoning.

ZeldaQueen: I agree. Better that he had escaped this fanfiction with Ginny and the kids.

Kingsley Shacklebolt and the leaders of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement were next.

"Harry," the Minister of Magic tried to begin.

ZeldaQueen: It's not that hard to say, Minister. First an "H" and then an "A"...

"I know why you're here. Bring me a pensieve and my wand and I'll show you…"

ZeldaQueen: For some reason, this brings me back to Aro and his porn touch.

One of the Auror Captains, Urdroot, already had the stone basin in his arms. Harry pulled the memory from his head and dropped it into the rune-carved receptacle.

ZeldaQueen: Please leave all memories that are not in use in the correct receptacle! We must keep our minds clear of pollution.

Several heads went inside and several heads came out minutes later with shock and revulsion writ large.

ZeldaQueen: *snorts at that sentence*

"I've known her for twenty years. I never would have thought…" Kingsley said.

ZeldaQueen: Neither would anyone, Kingsley. Out-Of-Character-itis can strike even the strongest of characters

"Check her corpse for the usual signs of Imperius or other mind control spells or potions," Harry said. "I don't think you'll find them. She seemed normal in my study – and then insane after my children were dead. She was an actress in the worst sense of the word. I don't think she's been right in the head for a long time, if ever."

ZeldaQueen: And nobody noticed that she suddenly went crazy at some point? I could possibly see Harry missing it, but surely Ginny and Hermione met at some point and I know Hermione would notice something was wrong.

"If ever". Oh yeah, because Ginny's been crazy her entire life. Suck it.

Kingsley tried to coax Harry into talking as one friend to another, but Harry bucked and weaved his way through every question. As Kingsley was leaving, Harry said one last thing. "I'll be back in the office in a few days, Minister, but I'll be turning in my resignation. I can't do this any more…"

"Heal for now, Harry. We'll talk more about that when you get out."

ZeldaQueen: (Kingsley) " - of this fanfic. It does wonders for you!"

Then, for his final act of his hellish day, he had three reporters summoned, along with another pensieve.

"I want the true story of what happened to be reported. My attorney, Lord Stanhope, is documenting this entire meeting. Here is my memory of what happened…"

ZeldaQueen: Oh yes, Harry, the guy who pretty much hated the media, who was dragged through the mud and mocked by them, is going to use them now. And "Lord Stanhope"? Why not "Mister"?

The journalists came out of the experience even more traumatized than Harry would have expected.

ZeldaQueen: Please. That wouldn't even bother a Muggle reporter in this day and age. The media drinks that sort of stuff right up

"Let it be known that Ginny Weasley is forever banished from the House of Potter for familial betrayal. May the wraiths of hell hunt her down."

ZeldaQueen: Excuse me folks, let me laugh outrageously for a minute here.

HA HA HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Right. Because canon clearly shows that Harry was such a formal fellow and talked like an eighteenth-century aristocrat. Also, "the House of Potter"? What? Even if there was such a thing (which we never see any indicator of), there's one tiny little problem - Harry is not an upper-class, hoity-toity, twit of the year! Even if he belonged to a House, he wouldn't invoke its rules or pay attention to it! He's an ordinary guy! That's also why he wouldn't use the "purebloods of old" thing to justify murdering Ginny! If anything, Harry was almost completely soured towards old, pure-blood families. he'd never try to be like them.

It was only the oldest of the pureblood families that ever used post-mortem disownment, but Harry knew all of the laws and customs. For his old job as Head Auror, he'd had to know them all.

ZeldaQueen: And that makes it perfectly alright for him to use them.

He took a Dreamless Sleep and slept for twelve hours. No dreams meant no tears.

ZeldaQueen: Blaugh! So emo!

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Comments

[darkslover.livejournal.com]

I've heard all kinds of complaints about HP pairings and I've got to say, I wasn't bothered by Harry/Ginny whatsoever. Why? Because all these are from a teenage boy's perspective and a teenager (boy or girl) is full of crushes and sudden decisions all the time, thank you *very* much. And Ginny showed traces of being far better when she rejected the possibility for Harry to be controlled in book... um, four? Five? I've read it years ago, I don't remember.

As for Ron/Hermione, it was evident from miles away. It only bothered me because she had a far better candidate, Victor.

All the rest sounded pretty logical. Why are fans taking *teenage* crushes and their possible (or impossible) development so damn seriously? Oh, yeah, teenagers were reading the books and they do not want to be said that their decisions are not life-altering ones... meh.

As for this? I am generally against fanfiction bashing and sporking, because... well, it is fanfiction and if fanfiction is not a way for readers to blow off steam, then nothing is. That's what fanfiction is for *me*. I don't know if this is because I go to ff.net for reading, but that's my opinion. Besides, even some spitefics like Mervin's, no matter how brilliant and far better than the original, still serve this purpose.

This is just an extreme case. That brings out laughter. Which is the opposite of what it aimed to do, I'm sure.

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

It was book five. Apparently though the idea that Voldmort had permanently corrupted Ginny is a popular fanfiction topic.

I think the teenage crush thing bothered people partly because they all wound up married which probably seemed improbable. But here's the thing - the wizarding world had just had a war. People could now live long, happy lives without worrying about evil wizards murdering them. It makes sense that everyone would want to say "Screw it, let's get married!" and whatnot. After all, look at the Baby Boom.

[darkslover.livejournal.com]

And this corruption was never actually in the books because Rowling is an incompetent author? My head hurts...

True. Besides, this was not a romance story, it was aimed for male audience mostly (even though I personally believe it covers both sexes), who didn't want to see romance being SRS BZNS here. They got married, end of story.

And Rowling wrote the epilogue right after the FIRST book! Good lord, no one had seen that interview??

BTW, people complain for making Sirius having women pictures in his room? For real???

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

There are people who think that there's stuff going on in the story that so hidden, the CIA couldn't have managed it. One person, pre-DH, wrote an entire essay on how Harry only loved Ginny because Hermione slipped him a love potion. Evidence for this was apparently (among other things), the fact that Hermione didn't want Harry hit on the head. Because getting hit on the head activates the potion or something. Really.

Yep, they honestly complained about that. Something about Rowling only doing it to ruin slash fic writers' fun. Like that's ever stopped them. It can be found here: http://www.ferretbrain.com/articles/article-139

That same review says that DH "To say it's massively dissatisfying and frustrating is to do massively dissatisfying and frustrating things a great disservice" Erm...right...

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

I don't get why people are complaining about 'avenues being closed off'. Seriously, anyone ever heard of a good old fashioned AU. No... wait, we have to bash the character we don't like to make it work... duh.

Appologies for the snark here, but I've told, no discussed with a Toshiro/Momo shipper (Bleach pairing) who I am on good relations with, the ones who quit being a fan just because their OTP doesn't happen were not fans in the first place. They agreed, and we speculated how many fanfics would get deleted if Toshiro/Momo proved to be non-canon. We also speculated how many fanfics would get deleted if Toshiro and Momo turned out to be blood cousins. It was... interesting... I didn't though stop to think about how many fanfics we would have that would pull this kind of thing... correcting canon... scary...

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

I think on the BTW comment, you are refering to the Sirius/Lupin slash fanatics...

[shaolina.livejournal.com]

I wasn't bothered by Ginny/Harry (I just find them bland) but I do have a problem with Ron/Hermione. Let me count the ways:

1) They don't bicker, they fight. And they don't fight in normal argument they get to be horrible with each other in ways I never saw growing up... and my whole school was into pairing everybody out.

2) Yes, I knew they were going to get together because they are a Takahashi couple and they are my second least favorite type of couple (First goes to the "Will they or won't day." ) It's lazy and cliche and just makes me roll my eyes. As bland as every other couple in the books are they at least feel ok. But no, it's sexual tension as Ron makes Hermione feel bad on purpose and she sends birds his way.

3) I have seen just one couple like they are and I assure you they are not healthy nor happy. That is my mother and stepfather. Lately they have gotten worst and I wouldn't be surprised if they divorce. So having a real life version of this takes out the "Aaww, cute" that this couple could ever hope to hold.

So yeah, its evident because it's lazy, cliche and would be horrible in real life and it annoys me because I've seen better couples in fiction and in real life that even at that age you can have a couple that fights a normal amount and for understandable reasons, that communicates, and be cute together.

[darkslover.livejournal.com]

Sorry to hear this about your father. I have a similar case in my house, only these are my parents that have been together for 30+ years and only now they see they do not match. Go figure.

I don't know about their fights, really. I am completely tabula rasa, because I haven't thought about it at all and because it has been so much time since I read the books that I do not remember the details. (Mostly because I didn't give two cents about pairings in HP whatsoever. I think I enjoyed the books more like this.)

[shaolina.livejournal.com]

It's ok. The real problem is my baby siblings. They don't say it but I know they are bothered by it. It has been up to me to keep my siblings together and feeling fine. Last night their parents were fighting loudly on their room to the point we were clearly hearing them. Ironically my sister tried drowning them up with my old VHS tape of Ranma 1/2. I didn't know if I should laugh or not.

And those two started fighting and separating and coming back together all the time. I used to call them the boomerang couple. So I have no taste nor tolerance for that in fiction (aside from the fact it's overused to the point I wonder if writers in general know there are other types of couples).

Anyway, I agree with shipping. I was in the avatar fandom and shipping wars were a huge deal to everybody in the forum except me. It really ruined the fun for lots of people. The end of the war is coming and all everybody care is who Katara would choose -_-;; not that it was an issue in the canon.

I like HP for lots of reasons: some are plot, characters, application of myths and world building among many others but romance fell flat in most cases (in my opinion at least). And being a more boy book is no excuse of that. If you bring an element you should be willing to execute it without restraints. Romance doesn't have to be the guy kissing the girls hand to her shoulder while saying "I love you. I love you. I love you" while dressed in french Renaissance dresses. (Cookies for those who get the reference XD)

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

I guess Hermione and Ron never bothered me because they're like my parents - they argue and pick at each other, but most of the fights aren't very serious. On the other hand though, neither of them sent canaries at one another, so yeah... ^^;

My personal theory on the three leads and romance is that all of them are socially screwed up in some way - Hermione and self esteem and security issues, which is why she's a huge bookworm. Ron is the youngest son and feels like he's always living in the shadows of his siblings and best friend. Harry spent most of his childhood alone and thus never got experiences with dating or romance. There's also the fact that it looks like none of them really have help (that is to say someone to go to for advice). So they all have to figure things out on their own, which probably only really comes across with Harry (since he's the one telling the story). Doesn't necessarily excuse anything, but it's interesting to think about.

Shipping can just get absolutely ridiculous. Like people who think that Frollo from Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame should have gone with Esmeralda, or she should have picked Quasi. Either way, everyone hates the woman (Christine gets it too ^^; )

Actually, come to think of it, doesn't it seem like the female characters are the ones who get blamed in shipping, either for picking the wrong guy or for "stealing" another guy? What's up with that? O_o

[shaolina.livejournal.com]

Ok, the thing is they never loose their seriousness in the story. Let me post two examples of fighting couples I do love:

1) Dr.Cox and Jordan from Scrubs. These two fight all the time but they do it because they enjoy it. They have fun when they fight and so I have fun when they fight. But when things get serious they do talk and evolve as a couple. When Cox discovers who the father of Jack is she forces him to talk to her and when he wants to get married to her again he eventually gets her to talk to him. They even kiss and say "I love you" and its cute.

2) Don and Kathy from Singing in the rain. When they meet they are sniping at each other and acting passive agressive with each other. When they meet again he mocks her because she hurt him last time. But when they meet again he apologizes for being an ass and she apologizes for being a bitch. They talk and resolve their issue.

Thing is R/H doesn't give me the impression they have fun when they fight and they don't have the "Sorry for being an ass/bitch talk either. I don't remember really talking about it and after the bird thing I buried any ok I may have had with the couple. I know the terror of birds in your face and it is no joke matter. If she was willing to do that once in anger I can't imagine what else she might do. And age is no excuse for that. Would you excuse a somebody pushing you down the stairs in anger?


And the socially awkward thing doesn't fly with me in this couple. I'm friends with awkward people, lots of them bookworms and others frustrated in similar ways and some even more screwed up than "I'm the youngest". They don't behave this bad with their loved ones. Some fight, yes, but not to this miserable extent.

I just can't see this as anything other than the Takahashi couple cliche. To quote the Nostalgia Chick: "Oh, yes Animosity. It must be love!" Or the Evil Overlord list that says execute any couple that enter the kingdom fighting. If J.K felt like adding the fights she should have added the resolution.

As for shipping, yes I have noticed it's almost always the ladies fault. XD It really is messed up.

And Follo and Esmeralda ... eeww. Yes, he has good points, but he's a priest who tried to rape her and kills her. That brings out a lot of bad points.

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

Ron does say he's sorry for leaving them in DH and Hermione says she's sorry that Crookshanks ate (or so they thought) Scabbers.

I just don't like it when the slap, slap, kiss thing goes on for too long. It's like "alright, this is just getting annoying. We know you're inevitably going to end up together, now do it!" (I thought much the same thing for Twilight ^^; ) Like Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" did it well, I thought. They fought, but then there was the turning point where they start to be friends and then fall in love.

"And Follo and Esmeralda ... eeww. Yes, he has good points, but he's a priest who tried to rape her and kills her. That brings out a lot of bad points."

Actually, people think that about the DISNEY Frollo, the one who kills a woman and tries to drop her baby down the well within the first ten minutes of his screentime or so, and the one who creepily sniffs Esmeralda's hair while talking about how she's locked up with him. O_o Yeah...

[shaolina.livejournal.com]

Yes, but neither is really a couple problem on the great scheme of things. Ron leaving affected the group as they were on a mission and the whole cat eating thing was early on the friendship and it wasn't something that got on the way of getting together. Talking about Victor on book 4 was it, about Lavander, about the birds, about all those times they hurt each other with words and just affected each other would have been more effective. Even more so in book 6 where they could still feel hormonal but grown up enough to talk about it a bit and then make out. XD

Lord, can I hate the slap, slap, kiss, kiss when done wrong. I agree with D&B, it was just perfect in there. See! They fight, but they apologize, talk about it and stop it. It has a moment when they both say "sorry for being an ass" and everything. We needed that with R/H!

And EEWWW!! Disney Frollo may have the best Diney villain song ever (thought so before Nostalgia Critic) but he's a creepy, evil old man. No, just no people. He's not a catch What's with pairing with abusive a-holes. I just posted my first chapter of my Haou Airen spork and I swear that is the most abusive a-hole I have ever seen. It makes me forget any complaint I've had about Ron/Hermione or Edward/Bella. They are THAT bad.

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

Well, I guess we can always pretend that they talk when Harry's not around. ^^; We really only know what he knows. That is something I'd like to see though, perhaps a fanfiction story about them talking together when Harry's off getting the locket or something. (Curses! *fanfiction alarm goes off*)

I suspect that the Frollo/Esmeralda thing satisfies some sort of bizarre fetish, but I"m not sure. Maybe it's some dominance thing? I dunno... I've actually heard a guy who has insisted over and over that Gaston from B&B was a genuinely nice guy who was forced to do the events at the end because Belle "humiliated" him at his "proposal". He also insisted that she was a gold digger, although he seemed to think the Beast was fine. Nothing anyone said could convince him otherwise. Of course, he also thought that Hexus from Ferngully was sympathetic and couldn't understand why Senator Palpatin let Padme die ("She was his best friend's beloved!") so yeah...

[shaolina.livejournal.com]

XD I guess we can, but I still believe something like that was important and should have been incorporated into the book to serve as a transition in the relationship. A good fic about that I would gladly read though.

And lady, who was that guy? XD Gaston comes in smug, gets dirt on her book and table, smugly insults her habits and chases her around the house in a threatening way... yeah, nice guy alright. And gold digger Belle? The castle was in ruins and the Beast could have eaten her for all she knew. That guy you met is crazy. XD

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

I like that dynamic you put to it though.

(...) I like Quasi, but... I don't know. I think they are arguing the whole she's pretty and she didn't pick him because he is ugly.

And there is an article somewhere on the net about how in fanfiction, it is almost always the female characters who get the blame and vilified. Then again, think about who almost always writes fanfiction. Most are female.

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

"I think they are arguing the whole she's pretty and she didn't pick him because he is ugly."

I know, but that's just ridiculous. If that were the case, Esmeralda would have gone after Phoebus the instant she saw him. She doesn't show romantic interest in him until she sees him defy Frollo and save innocent people, hence the argument that ugliness and beauty are the causes of the relationship are kind of silly.

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

Exactly... but then some people don't read the context clues, only see what they want to see.

In Bleach, I remember reading one Live Journal entery that said TK was sexist simply because Inoue Orihime doesn't kick but yet. I hope she never does, as that contradicts her character and personality. I brought up the fact that there were plenty of women in strong roles in Bleach. They tried bringing up other arguements, not taking into concideration historical context and such, then complained saying I was wrong because no one else had yet say something.

Joke among some of the Bleach fans though is that TK is sexist... towards Men, as his female characters tend to trump the male smart wise and in some regaurds strength. That's what the context clues point to...

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

I came into the A:tLA fandom after the fact, so I caught the taile end of that whole mess.

I am a Zuko/Katara shipper, don't care if it is canon or not, I'll write a good AU that treats them well. I have problems with Aang/Katara because... he starts of so childish, so I am eventually going to get around to writing a Bleach/A:tLA crossover pairing Toshiro/Katara together to drive home my point of what I dislike about the pairing. It isn't that he is younger then her, most definatly. (I liked how they did Aang/Katara in the movies, simly because his childness was cut down...)

But anyways, I remember coming across a fanfic that had a Zuko/Katara shipper switching sides and I flat out told the Aang/Katara shipper that was just rude, and just because their ship was the canon one, doesn't mean that people will stop liking their prefered pairings. I don't do OTP because I have ships that I like with multiple characters, breaking up any possibilty of OTP.

You should have seen some of the H/H shippers. I don't know what is more nasty, the ship wars from A:tLA, or HP. Or the whole Toshiro/Momo thing over in Bleach. That one... how to put it, they grew up with each other in the Rukongai, she calls him Shiro-chan, he's still a kid, despite being over fourty years old. (Think LotR elflings here...) He protects her because she is family. One of my T/M friends got bashed by another T/Mer because she choose one time to write them as friends. I had one ask why I listed it as T/M when it was T/Karin. (Not romance genera wise, and the main point was Hermione seeing a bit of Toshiro's world from when she was comotose.) The sequel had someone who said I was wrong for making Momo, Toshiro's sister in it, when... I know they aren't biologically siblings, but the creator has indicated they are like siblings, so he must be wrong too.

Ship wars are interesting on the level of psycological examination... that is it. That, and some off the WTF you get from comments...

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

I get what your saying, because most of the couples like them that I've seen... well, are like your situation. Actually, I know of a relationship that happens to be very simular to that, don't know if they ever bickered (I don't think it is her style), but the woman babies her husband much like Hermione does to Ron in the epilog. She is in fact seriously thinking of divorce. :(

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

I didn't think Hermione was babying Ron. She told him off for messing with the kids. My aunt and uncle are exactly the same way.

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

Again, it is how you look at it. I didn't think much of it, until recently. I simply thought Hermione was reduced to a Molly Weasly role.

[zelda-queen.livejournal.com]

Well, I can see how you make the parallel, because I got the impression that Rowling had Ron and Hermione's relationship be akin to that of Mr. and Mrs. Weasley. ^^;

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

Yup. :)

[yemi-hikari.livejournal.com]

Concidering I find this kind of romance far better then that of Twilight, which just throws two characters together, I buy into the arguement.

And Victor/Hermione... another one I prefer to Ron/Hermione.