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Chapter 18


ZeldaQueen: So Zoey goes and pulls out her Vamp Sociology textbook, which she reminds us was given to her because of her...bloodlust I guess, and how she nearly was put in a higher class but that would make her such a freak because being moved up a grade is for losers who are also dorks and probably smell bad. She also angsts because she should have been studying the book more regularly, but what with drinking her boyfriend's blood, flirting with a teacher, and allegedly reforming the Dark Daughters and doing her other homework, she hasn't had time. Poor her. Hermione Granger, she is not.

But still, now she calls upon the tome for she is in need of knowledge! Surely she must be looking up vampires returning from the dead, or some other such thing relating to Elliot...

Bloodlust. She's looking up bloodlust.

You know, I can understand an author introducing something significant but downplaying its importance so that the readers will be surprised later. Having someone return from the dead as some zombified vampire who refers to a teacher as "Goddess" and all but gets it on with her on the school grounds is not something that you can do that with.

So yeah. We get more on bloodlust. *sigh* And this part pisses me off for two reasons. The first is because it's just halting the plot for a stupid infodump when, as I pointed out above, there's more important things going on! The second thing is that this section gives us some explanations as to how vampires work, and that always leads to the Cast ladies tooting their "Humans are horrible" trumpet. So. We all ready? Great! Let's get this over with!

Zoey reaches the part of the textbook that explains sexuality and bloodlust and slows down there. The section starts out by explaining how adult vampires will periodically need to feed on human blood to stay healthy and sane. Okay, fair enough. We also get a sentence on how "
It is, therefore, logical that evolution, and our beloved Goddess, Nyx, have insured the blood drinking process is a pleasurable one". All that reminds me off is a comic from Arthur: King of Time and Space, when Lancelot asks Merlin whether he believes in evolution or creationism and Merlin chooses both, answering "I don't care" when he's told that the theories contradict each other. Anyway, the textbook goes on to explain that vampire saliva excretes endorphins, so both vampires and humans get really nice highs from the blood drinking.

Now I'm not very good with biology, so I can't comment on how accurate it is, however I will admit that the theory does make sense. Although given that you can exchange a few words and turn the blood drinking explanation into The Talk, I can understand the Cast ladies having an already present biological system to follow.

Zoey pauses here, to muse "
Well, hell! No wonder I'd had such a slutty reaction to Heath. Being turned on while I drank blood was programmed into my Changing genes". I...really don't have a lot to say to that.

Reading on, we're told that older vampires excrete more endorphins. Not sure why that is but...okay. I guess I could buy that. I know it's bad foreshadowing for Chosen, so whatever. And then, we get our human hating

"
Vampyres have speculated for centuries that the ecstasy of blood drinking is the key reason humans have vilified our race. Humans feel threatened by our ability to bring them such intense pleasure during an act they consider dangerous and abhorrent, so they have labeled us as predators. The truth, of course, is that vampyres can control their bloodlust, so there is little physical danger to human donors. The danger lies in the Imprint that often occurs during the ritual of blood drinking"

ZeldaQueen: A few things to that.

First of all, "vampires have speculated"? Why don't you just ask humans why they're freaked out by it, you idiots! It's not like we're an ancient civilization long since fallen! WE STILL EXIST!

Second of all, yes of course, how silly of us stupid humans. How irrational of us to be frightened of something latching its teeth onto our necks and biting down. It's just so ridiculous that we're afraid of things like blood loss. It's not like we need our blood to live or anything. Why, if I was to hazard a guess, that would be why we "vilified" the vampires! But of course, that's just stupid.

Third of all, I'm pretty sure the Cast ladies are trying to make a very blatant connection between the old belief that sex feels good and is thus sinful. Given that engaging in sex for too long or losing control while having sex doesn't result in potentially dying of blood loss (leastwise not unless it's some kinky sex or something), I'd say that analogy fails.

Fourth of all, is it just me, or does that paragraph boil down to "Humans are stupid to be bothered by vampires drinking from them! There's no danger at all, unless you count the mindrape of imprinting. So it's totally safe, except for where it isn't".

Fifth of all, there is a species in real life that drinks human blood and has chemicals in its saliva that it uses to keep said humans distracted during the blood drinking. It's the mosquito. The Cast ladies basically made their wonderful, glorious Sue-race analogous to tiny pests that most everyone squishes on sight.

Moving on, we get to learn about imprinting. Thank God, there's no toddlers involved. Instead, we get a reminder of what imprinting entails, along with the hand wave of "We don't know everything, so the author doesn't have to give a detailed explanation of it". We're told that blood drinking directly from humans is highly discouraged because imprinting is Serious Business and should not be taken lightly at all. Personally, I'd think that all fledglings should be told about it immediately then. Lord knows there's plenty of idiot kids who would probably drink from humans regardless of bloodlust, just because they think it's harmless and kinky or gothic or something. Also, apparently the blood banks used to provide blood for vampires are kept completely hush-hush and hidden and the owners and workers there are well paid for their silence.

Um, Cast ladies? That makes no sense. Your vampires are not a hidden race, my dears. They are very public knowledge. The fact that they drink blood is very public knowledge. So actually, hiding the existence of the clinics (and no, I don't mean the locations, I mean the fact that they exist at all) would backfire tremendously. Because think about it. People know that the vampires need blood. The vampires are surviving, and thus must be getting it from somewhere. If people know about the clinics, they think "Oh, okay. The vampires are getting blood from a careful system, so I know no one is getting murdered in an alley". If people don't know about the clinics, they'll think "How odd that we never hear about where the vampires get there blood from. Hey, I haven't seen my favorite waitress at Denny's since last weekend. You don't suppose...?"

Zoey, of course, misses all of this and instead starts to angst because it looks like she's in trouble because of the imprint on Heath. And I love how the textbook glosses over how the human will be mentally connected to one person and obsess over them and pine after them for life in a way that is clearly unhealthy, but treats the idea of a vampire being tied to a human like an unthinkable thing.

There's a brief mention of how humans and vampires who imprint with each other can read each others minds and track each other. Again, the theory makes sense (tracking prey and so on), but I have to ask how does that work??? These vampires are science-based! How does science explain gaining an inexplicable telepathic connection to someone? And yes, I know the Cast ladies would just say "The Goddess made it like that", which is a cheap cop-out.

We are treated to a tangent on Bram Stoker, and you all have to see this

"There the text went off on a tangent about how Bram Stoker had actually been Imprinted by a vamp High Priestess, but that he had not understood her commitment to Nyx had to come before their tie, and in a fit of jealous anger had betrayed her by exaggerating the negative aspects of an Imprint in his infamous book, Dracula"

ZeldaQueen: Okay folks, pause here. This one really pisses me off, and pisses me off good.

So let's take a look at that. Under unknown circumstances, even though I'd wager that imprinting was already well-known amongst vampires at the time, a High Priestess drank blood from Stoker. She basically mind-melded with him, which means that he gets to spend the rest of his life pining after her, feeling everything she does, always knowing where she is, and being privy to some of her thoughts. After she did all of this to him, she leaves him out on the sidewalk, telling him "Sorry, but my career comes first" and then the rest of the vampires get PO'd because he is heartbroken and probably, if Heath's anything to go by, mentally unstable and upset and reacted accordingly. I'm sure a lot of people would justify this by saying that it was the olden days and blood banks were hardly available and for all we know she was starving and had no other options and so on and so forth. Fine. Except here's the thing.

Bram is being blamed for everything.

It's all him. He's the one who just can't understand that Nyx comes first (even though we've seen no evidence at all that the High Priestess does anything beyond staging a few fancy rituals, so I fail to see how she couldn't have a lover as well). He's the one who was petty and jealous. He's the one who wrote about how evil and horrible imprinting is and victimized all of those poor, sweet, helpless vampires. Never mind that a vampire in such a high station probably had other vampires she could have drank from who could cope with the imprint better. Never mind that from what we've seen, the vampires are pretentious assholes who don't explain anything to the humans. Never mind that from what we've seen of imprinting, being separated from one's imprintee is a hellish experience. Never mind that the same textbook that condemns Stoker is also going on about how imprinting is such a huge responsibility and shouldn't be taken lightly and is a lifelong commitment and so on and so forth.

In fact, let's take another look at that little story, shall we? The Cast ladies are so determined to compare the drinking of blood to sex, so let's try that. Let's pretend that the story instead went that Bram Stoker and this High Priestess chick had sex and when he expected her to marry him and commit to a relationship, she says "Sorry, I've got more important things in my life. Bye now!" and runs off. And when he gets angry about that and writes a book from his perspective on the matter, the entire race of vampires gets angry with him in return.

Now, let's have some more...erm fun and flip things around. Let's pretend that it was a male vampire who had sex or drank blood with and imprinted on (pick one, they're basically the same thing) a human girl. And after what amounts to a one-night stand, when she goes to him crazy in love and wanting to be only with him, he tells her to go away because he's got a job that's more important. And when she gets angry and responds, she's treated as a jealous little girl who just doesn't understand that there's more important things than herself, her feelings be damned.

There, wasn't that fun?

Now, I know a lot of people would argue that it's a vampire textbook, so it could very well be a case of unreliable narrator. I'd go with that, except for one thing. No one ever indicates that it is an unreliable source. As soon as Zoey reads it, her reaction is a simple "Huh, how about that?" before moving on. And spoilers for Chosen - her grandmother just thinks that Stoker and the High Priestess' imprint is just sooooo romantic! Oh but wait, Zoey's mother finds it disturbing and not romantic in the slightest. They bitch her out for being prejudice when she says so.

*shakes head* I hate this series.

So after skating over that infuriating bit, Zoey jumps to fledglings and imprinting. We're reminded again that fledglings are forbidden from drinking the blood of humans, but "
they may experiment with each other". Yeah, I bet they like to stay up late at night...light a few candles...eat some strawberries...play some music...practice biting each other...

Seriously, I cracked up so hard at that line. Could the Cast ladies be any more blatant?

We're also told that it's possible for an adult vampire and a fledgling to imprint on one another, and again, I know this is all stupid foreshadowing. Zoey, meanwhile, has this reaction

"
I shook my head, appalled all over again by the blood drinking I'd witnessed between Neferet and Elliott. Setting aside the whole issue of Elliott being dead, which still confused the hell outta me, Neferet was a powerful High Priestess. No damn way should she be letting a fledgling drink from her (even a dead one)"

ZeldaQueen: Another list!

First, she just saw a kid return from the dead and talks about it like she's mildly puzzled. She sees a teacher letting said undead student drink her blood? OH MY GOD, HOW CAN THAT BE? THAT'S THE WORST THING EVER!!!!!!!!!

Second of all, I could understand if Zoey was appalled because given that Elliot is dead or undead or whatever and blood drinking is a fantasy version of sex, the implication would be that Neferet pretty much committed necrophilia. The way it's worded though, it's not that Zoey finds that aspect squicky. No, it sounds like she's freaked out that someone as grand and powerful and gorgeous as Neferet would dare let a plebian like Elliot drink her blood.

Third of all, apparently Zoey is dumb enough to ignore the fact that Neferet is up to something evil. So why doesn't she consider the possibility that this undead Elliot needs blood to survive and Neferet is providing it to him as his only lifeline? And before anyone points out that Zoey would never think that because if that were the case, Neferet would get more help, I'd like to point out that Zoey herself has a number of "good" things she's doing that she's keeping hidden from everyone else.

Fourth of all, am I the only one still getting unfortunate implications? Zoey thinks it's hot and sexy that an adult male vampire is asking her to take her top off, but the adult female Neferet letting the gross Elliot drink her blood is the worst thing ever.

And then Zoey just drops that train of thought. Really, are you surprised? Instead, she skims the part on breaking imprints. She mostly skips this though, because it's haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard and depreeeeeeeeeeeeeeesing and she doesn't want to think about such things. To me, it just sounds like a contrived reason for the Cast ladies to keep Heath around. "Um, I don't want to be imprinted on him but...I can't help it! Any other way is difficult and painful! Yeah!"

She goes over to the window and has pointless musings about oh yeah, her other boyfriend is coming back in a few hours and Blake will be with him and whatever will she do about Heath and isn't this just a mess, red-eyed ghosts, what red-eyed ghosts? She seriously considers lying about drinking his blood the second time and dating both Heath and Erik at the same time. And yes, she sins her ass off and angsts about how she knows it's wrong to do that, but I find it disgusting that she seriously considers that twice. Zoey, I know you want to have your cake and eat it too, but you can't play the virtuous good girl while playing three guys. Do the responsible thing and break up with Erik if you want to be with someone else, otherwise you get no sympathy from me.

And then, as she sits by the window, thinking about how nummy Heath's blood is, she has a vision of Heath, asleep in his bed. What Mary Sue would be complete without the cliched mental link between lovers? Zoey watches him toss and turn and then hears him murmur her name in his sleep. And after he says her name, he starts to play with himself, still in his sleep. I honestly wish I could say I was kidding by this point.

Zoey "wakes up" and finds that she was in that vision for...two hours. Bull, I say! She finds that in the...erm two seconds it took for her to ponder that, Heath woke up and sent her a text message on how he felt her presence. Yeah, I bet he did.

Zoey stumbles off to bed, angsting about her boyfriends and ignoring the actual plot
. And with that, she falls asleep and I need a break


Onward to: Chapter 19

Back to: Chapter 17


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Date: 2011-06-07 06:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] carmyn
All I can say is: no freaking wonder teenage girls are so confused about sex and relationships. I can't wait for this trend of 'self-insert fantasies' ends.

Speaking of which, how is City of Dumbasses Bones coming? I heard through the grapevine (okay, the author's site) that Jamie Campbell-Bower was cast as Jace in the movie. (YES A MOVIE). Can anyone see it?

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Date: 2011-06-07 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
I know, right? The thing is, I don't even think I'd mind so much if Zoey was *supposed* to be some flirty girl who liked to go around, but she's not! She keeps insisting that she's not a slut and totally a good girl. Make up your mind, Cast ladies!!!

The sporking is nearly done. Shouldn't be too much longer. ^^

Seriously? They really are going ahead with the movie? It's funny, because I was commuting to work today and I was thinking how odd it was that they hadn't gone for a movie yet.

It seems that Jamie Campbell-Bower's been in a lot of heart throb roles as of late. Anthony Hope, Grindlewald, Caius, and now this loser. I see Jace as being a lot younger, actually. Perhaps Jake Lloyd. There's a kid who gets my "URGE TO KILL RISING" reflex going.

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Date: 2011-06-07 06:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] carmyn
Not sure who Jake Llyod is. Oh well.

Ah, apparently it's being made by some smaller time production company called Unique Features. You know, Twilight syndrome.

Lily Collins is suppose to play Clary. No release date yet. Cassie Clare keeps insisting that the movie Is in development, not production so no guarantees that it will be made. Yeah, I don't need a dead herring. Who the hell ISN'T going to jump on that band wagon? Next few years is gonna suck.

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Date: 2011-06-07 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] szaleniec1000.livejournal.com
Jake Lloyd is the lad who played Anakin in Phantom Menace. He didn't bug me as an actor, but his character... urgh. Far too annoying to grow up to be Darth Vader. For that matter, far too annoying to grow up to be Hayden Christiansen's Anakin.

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Date: 2011-06-07 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aikaterini.livejournal.com
/For that matter, far too annoying to grow up to be Hayden Christiansen's Anakin./

Really? Because I think that they were both annoying, but that the older Anakin was far worse. Jake Lloyd's character might have been annoying at times, but at least he was *nice.* He offered to let strangers stay at his house during a sandstorm and he offered to help them get the part they needed by racing in a dangerous tournament. The older Anakin, on the other hand, was whiny, selfish, petulant, thoughtless, rude, and violent. Ironically, he was more immature than his 9-year-old self was.

So, while I do agree with you that Jake Lloyd's character was too annoying to grow up to be Darth Vader, I have to say that the same is true for Hayden Christiansen's Anakin.

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Date: 2011-06-07 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] szaleniec1000.livejournal.com
True - JL!Anakin was a much better person than HC!Anakin, which makes sense as the trilogy was meant to depict his descent into darkness. I found them annoying in different ways, and neither worthy of becoming Darth Vader. I admit I might have overstated the point, especially as I found TPM to be the weakest of the films which might have biased my view a little.

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Date: 2011-06-13 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxypope.livejournal.com
Hey, Eragon got a movie and isn't likely to be getting another one. I also don't think I am Number Four did very well, either (another horrible spawn of the recent YA paranormal romance trend, only written by a team of ghost writers headed by James Frey--look him up, he's a bit of a doozy). It's very likely a City of Bones movie won't get any sequels, either.

I'm expecting the movie to more or less go under the radar. It doesn't have the rabid fan following like Twilight has in order to sustain sufficient enough box office numbers for future installments, especially when you're dealing with a series that is going to need a BIG budget for special effects and such things.

And without the rabid fan following, the only way for it to have big market appeal is if they changed enough about it to actually make it interesting and exciting for the audience; as it is, it's a little generic and cliche to stand out that well from others in its genre. It's pretty much the disfigured love child of Twilight and Harry Potter and I think general audiences are going to see that.

This is of course me being optimistic. There is always the right-place-right-time factor, and it could be an effective replacement for the Twilight crowd after Breaking Dawn is finished. Which... is going to take another few years to get by considering they're making it into two parts! *facepalm* Fucking morons... as if the series needed any more dragging out than it already had...

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Date: 2011-06-13 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
The one thing City of Bones might have going for it as a movie is if the production team REALLY makes it look good. That means beefing up the action sequences, having stuff going on at Magnus's party, etc and so forth. I'd wager that without Clare's bloated descriptions and unnecessary analogies, things would flow a LOT smoother.

On the other hand, Eragon didn't have much going for it in any capacity. The settings and costumes looked like shyte, the acting was God-awful, the script had no idea what to cut and what to keep in (Hello thar, Eragon's cousin who is in for all of two seconds and in no way furthers the plot! How are you this lovely evening?) and what they do get straight from the book is painful ("Not a stone, an egg!" No shit, Sherlock!)

Also, I'm wondering if Clare would be willing to sit back and let the movie people make changes to the script that would make things flow better, or if she'd be like Meyer and keep sticking her nose into everything.

And as for Breaking Dawn, I laugh at the claim that there's sooo much in that fucking book that it needs two movies. Harry Potter had enough plot for two movies. The Hobbit is having more of Tolkien's universe added to fill two movies. This? NO!

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Date: 2011-06-07 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yemi-hikari.livejournal.com
My problem with this series is that the whole thing is so hypocritical, it isn't funny.

Think of it this way on the Jace issue. The main female character needs to look young, because CC wants to look young, it is her self-insert, but her heart throb needs to look mature, right. So, I am not surprised.

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Date: 2011-06-07 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aikaterini.livejournal.com
Seriously? They're actually making a *movie* for that awful series?

(à la RotS!Vader) NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Jamie Campbell-Bower, no! First "New Moon" and now this? Why couldn't they have gotten Alex Pettyfer instead? That's who all of the MI fangirls wanted to play Jace!

And how the heck is the director going to handle the incest vibes? Are the scriptwriters just going to downplay it somehow?

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Date: 2011-06-07 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
"And how the heck is the director going to handle the incest vibes? Are the scriptwriters just going to downplay it somehow?"

At the risk of spoiling the later books, the incest bit isn't *quite* so problematic. In CoB at least, Clary doesn't do anything overly affectionate with Jace after the big reveal is made. She still loves him, but doesn't kiss him or anything (or if she did, I blocked it out -_-)

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Date: 2011-06-07 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aikaterini.livejournal.com
Yes, yes, I know, they angst non-stop about not being able to date after the grand "revelation." *rolls eyes*

*slight spoilers below*




But that doesn't change the fact that the text says point-blank that Clary and Jace are siblings in "City of Bones." What are they going to do in the movie? Just make it really obvious that Valentine is lying, so that the audience won't be weirded-out too much?

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Date: 2011-06-07 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
"Just make it really obvious that Valentine is lying, so that the audience won't be weirded-out too much? "

Possibly. I suppose they could also change things to have Clary back off from Jace a little. I dunno...

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Date: 2011-06-13 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxypope.livejournal.com
I'm guessing they'll have a big dramatic reveal with Valentine being Jace's father, but not Clary's, at least not yet if they plan any sequels. They may wait to make Clary's dramatic reveal until we know Valentine is lying or something.

See, in the book, it was bad enough that you had Valentine dramatically revealed as the father twice within two chapters of each other--you certainly can't do it in a movie, 'cause in a movie it would be condensed within minutes of each other.

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Date: 2011-06-13 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
I have no idea. I suppose a lot of it depends on how much Clare is willing to let them move around or change.

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Date: 2011-06-07 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yemi-hikari.livejournal.com
I am thinking that this trend isn't one that is going to easily end, but the fact that the most popular "self-insert fantasy" keeps getting a worse and worse reputation due to the fact it is becoming more an more apparent that this one is in fact an unhealthy relationship.

I've heard about said movie and I've also heard a rumor that there are people planning on pickiting the movie if it comes out. I honestly don't blame them, since CC's tried to hush up her plagiarism scandal. She's also may be the reason some people mistake ALL fanfiction as plagiarism.

Continuing from chapter 17

Date: 2011-06-07 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] overlordmikey.livejournal.com
"What Mary Sue would be complete without the cliched mental link between lovers?"

I call it stalker vision :D


.
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[eye twitch]
That’s it; I’ve got nothing else - the Cast ladies books are misandry incarnate with a side order of any women who wants sex is evil/stupid (unless it’s the sue or her sue "friends" and even the friends don't get off completely), religion is bad and makes people stupid, only looks matter, [mumble mumble mumble].

Ya know what; I just don’t have the energy to go into a rant anymore.
I’m going to bed; wake me when the authors stop being hacks.

On a side note; I still feel awful for Erik…

Re: Continuing from chapter 17

Date: 2011-06-11 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
"the Cast ladies books are misandry incarnate with a side order of any women who wants sex is evil/stupid (unless it’s the sue or her sue "friends" and even the friends don't get off completely), religion is bad and makes people stupid, only looks matter, [mumble mumble mumble]."

This whole thing reminds me of how Spoony described the movie of New Moon - that all the girls are pathetic and clingy, but the guys get off no better as they're all portrayed as masochists who are willing to keep running to Bella and suffer ridicule at her hands.

You'll feel even worse for the poor guy in a few chapters. :( I wish to snuggle him

Re: Continuing from chapter 17

Date: 2011-06-11 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] overlordmikey.livejournal.com
Eric this is your last chance to realize - in this order
1) Zoey is bad!
2) You are bisexual (why not!)
3) You can date away with me; we'll play video games, watch cheesy movies, eat popcorn, have hilariously awkward moments, and help each other grow as people as we confide in each other our hopes and dreams...

I don't know what that would be called though - it can't be romance because these kinds of books have taught me that Romance is only about base lust and personality means nothing in the pursuit of a "mate".

Re: Continuing from chapter 17

Date: 2011-06-11 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
Bromance, perhaps? :P

(Yes, I'm sure that bromance has a different definition in culture, but in my mind, it's a relationship between two guys that is somewhere between platonic brother-love and straight romance. In my mind, I refer to the female equivalent as "Girl Love". Yes, my mind is odd ^^;;; )

Re: Continuing from chapter 17

Date: 2011-06-11 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] overlordmikey.livejournal.com
Not all that odd; although bromance is usually treated more as a really close friendship thing these kinds of books have changed the meaning of "romance" so why not change the meaning of bromance! :D

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Date: 2011-06-07 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mogseltof.livejournal.com
The Bram Stoker comment is very bad on a number of levels. I like Dracula. :(

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Date: 2011-06-07 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yemi-hikari.livejournal.com
Dissing the original vampire story is simply not cool at all. It is just wrong.

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Date: 2011-06-08 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
I don't think I'd mind it quite so much under other circumstances (it's not like they're the first people to play the "Stoker knew real vampires and got it wrong/deliberately wrote it wrong" card), but it was all just so victim-blamey! What the heck? Would it kill the Cast ladies to show that yeah, vampires have faults as well?

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Date: 2011-06-08 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mogseltof.livejournal.com
I know, its just the sheer... condescending attitude on top of everything else. :S

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Date: 2011-06-07 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] witty-screename.livejournal.com
This chapter is...disgusting. It's the Cast ladies trying to pin all the blame on humans because they just don't understaaaaaand. How can we be so cruel to the vampires when vampires were BORN THIS WAY? They can't help that they drink blood so why make a big deal about it? I hit you out of love, baby!

...Cast ladies, blood loss is a serious, SERIOUS medical issue; you know, serious enough for people to get hurt or die. Don't try to pin blame on the VICTIM of that particular scenario. Also, don't think I missed how you try to handwave the affair by saying it's sexy for both parties, so surely it should be okay.

NO. Just, NO.

(no subject)

Date: 2011-06-08 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
The victim blaming is even squicker when you consider that the blood drinking is a metaphor for sex...

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Date: 2011-06-07 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yemi-hikari.livejournal.com
I hope this series doesn't get a film adaptation. Rumor on it's wiki is that this is also in the plans. This one though, this may very well have the parents up in a storm about the whole thing.

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Date: 2011-06-07 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nawsome.livejournal.com
Dude, Twilight had stalkers, anti feminism, a dumbass protagonist who doesn't care about education and got pregnant and married at 18, pedophiles, abusive boyfriends, mass murderer boyfriends....
And there is a huge mom fanbase to it, so I don't completely agree XD

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Date: 2011-06-07 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yemi-hikari.livejournal.com
I am going along with the idea that the mom fanbase doesn't count as parents who don't know what their kids are getting into. House of Nigth may be able to cut stuff from the first movie, but a for the second... it is going to have a harder time doing it. The levels between Twilight and House of Night are just that big I think.

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Date: 2011-06-07 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turtlecrackers.livejournal.com
Gah. Mind-linking, now? I hate it when Sues seem to have a Bag of Holding shoved up their butts to pull new powers out of whenever they need it. u_u Then again, I may just be a bit frazzled because the Sue I'm dealing with has the power to wish for anything she can think of, including new random powers whenever the authors feel like it. It's driving me insane!

Anyway, two chapters after one another where pretty much no plot comes up whatsoever? Blatantly ignoring a bright, noisy laser-show of obvious signs that Something Is Wrong? Victim-blaming? Juggling three guys at the same time? ... SMeyer? Is that you? o_o;

I don't understand why Zoey can't just break up with Erik. Then again, this is why there are TV-shows like Cheaters, I guess.

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Date: 2011-06-08 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
"I may just be a bit frazzled because the Sue I'm dealing with has the power to wish for anything she can think of, including new random powers whenever the authors feel like it."

You don't know the half of it. Just wait until a few chapters from the end -_-

*snort* Copycat Meyer, more like. Meyer never did get the completely stereotypical teen speak down.

Because even though she thinks Heath is the greatest thing ever and wants to run around in secret with Blake, she still loves Erik and feels like the luckiest girl ever to be his girlfriend. When she remembers he exists, that is (And oh God, how I wish I were exaggerating all of that!)

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Date: 2011-06-08 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turtlecrackers.livejournal.com
Augh. I wonder why the hell it's so damn hard for suethors to stick with one power, and then branch out from that using their imaginations... You know, I guess I just figured out why.

Ahhh, you know, you have a point there. Meyer even had trouble getting her character talk like normal human beings.

Poor Erik. Poor Heath, too.
I don't think she loves any of the three. She just wants to be seen with the most handsome guys at all time.

She broke up with Heath because his drunk behavior would make her look bad, but as soon as he stopped drinking and getting high, she was okay with being with him again, because he's good-looking. The thought of him forever being tied to her as a willing love-slave might also be what's attracting her to stay with him.

She focuses on how much she wants to be with Erik when he's there, because he's the hottest and most popular guy in school. But when he's not around, she doesn't even think about him. They've only been together for a month. Surely, the puppy-love wouldn't have worn off quite that fast?

In short, this thought scares me a bit.

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Date: 2011-06-11 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
"Augh. I wonder why the hell it's so damn hard for suethors to stick with one power, and then branch out from that using their imaginations... You know, I guess I just figured out why."

I know, rigth? The Law of Ueki did that perfectly! Why can't Suethors do that?

Zoey is like a baby who can't remember that the cookie she was drooling over still exists just because she can't see it. I can totally see why she's such a great leader -_-

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Date: 2011-06-12 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turtlecrackers.livejournal.com
Well, I guess the simplest answer is that Suethors aren't really that creative. They need to give their characters as many powers as possible, because the character has to cover all bases to not be seen as useless.

My fandom is One Piece, and that series has so many Sues with multiple Devil fruits, you'd think there was a sale on the damn things somewhere. Or worse, they have one Devil fruit that doesn't make any sense. I read one story where the Sue ate a fruit that turned her body into that of an eight-year-old, but in return, she got the ability to fly and all kinds of strange things, making me just scratch my head in confusion.

Oh, definitely. Just the way she forgets about the ghosts, Neferet sneaking around in a black cape and tophat while twirling her mustache and randomly bursting out in maniacal laughter out of pure evil-ness, and the important rituals she needs to hold now just oozes responsibility and the ability to focus on her duties. I guess she suffers from some kind of selective short-term memory-loss.

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Date: 2011-06-12 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
I think the creativity thing hits the nail on the head. I was trying to figure out how best to review The Goddess Test when it hit me that there's an alarming trend in YA literature (besides the abusive relationships and whatnot) of plots that are just...small. I mean, the Suethors set up worlds of magic and vampires and angels and can do all sorts of fun and creative things with them, but make the plot so freaking FLAT! Lord!

Yeah, I'm not into One Piece, but I know what you mean. It's like Harry Potter, when the Suethors replace Harry, Hermione, and Ron having to be creative or do things on the fly with them carrying around nine million magic contacts and potions and artifacts and whatnots.

XD I think that describes Zoey perfectly. I can just see her staring off at whatever hot person is sitting next to her, while Damien or Stevie Rae says "Zoey! What are we going to do about the evil red-eyed ghosts? Zoey? Zoey? *waves hand in front of her face*"

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Date: 2011-06-12 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turtlecrackers.livejournal.com
Yeah, I mean, I remember being in my early teens when I started getting interested in writing. I really, really sucked at world-building, mostly because I hadn't read many books, and my world-view was really narrow. It's better now, though.

Yeah! Or the shape-shifting, angel-winged, has-more-animagus-forms-than-you-can-count Sues. I ventured into the Swedish section of the HP fics on FFnet, and immediately stumbled upon a Sue, who I think somehow managed to be closely related to ALL important canon characters, and were babied by absolutely EVERYONE.

Devil fruits in One Piece are designed to only give you one power (stretch like rubber, turn your body into light, change into an (1) (one) animal, produce ghosts, push things at high speeds, etc.) and then you have to use your imagination to figure out how to use it to its full potential. Suethors never seem to understand the beauty of this.

XD Maybe Zoey is just so far gone into her own world, that she's just imagining that her friends are talking brain-lessly about nothing important, when in fact, they're having discussions about what to do with the ghosts and Neferet.

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Date: 2011-06-26 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winki-pop.livejournal.com
So Zoey goes and pulls out her Vamp Sociology textbook, which she reminds us was given to her because of her...bloodlust I guess, and how she nearly was put in a higher class but that would make her such a freak because being moved up a grade is for losers who are also dorks and probably smell bad. She also angsts because she should have been studying the book more regularly, but what with drinking her boyfriend's blood, flirting with a teacher, and allegedly reforming the Dark Daughters and doing her other homework, she hasn't had time. Poor her. Hermione Granger, she is not.

Oh please, I've barely seen Zoey give two shit about her work! And, of course, being smart is wrong and no girl should ever aspire to be a geek of any sprt because that is, like, soooo icky! >.<

Poor Erik. You know, I actually got the impression he liked girls that were smart…

Zoey pauses here, to muse "Well, hell! No wonder I'd had such a slutty reaction to Heath. Being turned on while I drank blood was programmed into my Changing genes". I...really don't have a lot to say to that.

Excuses, excuses… Oh, but if it were Aphrodite, god forbid, who was juggling three guys at once, we'd have to hear all about it from Zoey going all God-mode on us *rolls eyes* You were already a slut, Zoey! :P

You know, vampire propaganda might have actually been cool in this story, if that were the case, and Ferret was trying to force-feed it on all the students to brainwash them further. But, naturally, it's all human suck and we should just put up and shut up! Oh, and a story about Bram, Stoker defeating vampires and writing a book based on his experiences would have been cool, getting caught up in some thrall of an evil vamp temptress and all.

Zoey watches him toss and turn and then hears him murmur her name in his sleep. And after he says her name, he starts to play with himself, still in his sleep. I honestly wish I could say I was kidding by this point.

So… Kristin wrote this with her mum? Good times? *barfs*

oh shit Ranty again

Date: 2014-05-27 06:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
… Wait, how long has it been since she mentioned that Blake and Eric are coming back soon? Wasn't that, like, five chapters ago?? In what time span do the last few chapters take place in? (if that makes sense?) Why is there so much padding in these books?! Jegus, just get to the point!

Also, there are Freshmen girls in my highschool that have read this book. In my privite, and might I (hesitantly) add, Christian highschool. No wonder they act so shallow and stuck-up, ZOEY is thier role model.

And I hate to get on a soapbox like a self-righteous chump, but it also kinda explains why they're so okay with the freshmen guys spouting innuendo and crap like a five year old who just learned a swear word. They read sex heavy, books like this with a sense of humor worse than mine and characters that are about as deep as the shallow end of the pool. Again, I'm sorry that got so soapbox-y. :(

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Date: 2014-06-04 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-fofa.livejournal.com
...... You know what PC Cast and Kristin Cast? FUCK YOU. If it weren't for Bram Stoker essentially being the founder of modern vampire fiction, you likely wouldn't be here writing this shitty book. Bram showed a lot more care in writing his book than the two of you ever did with your so-called books in that he spent seven years planning, researching, and writing it in what little spare time he had with his busy job, including when he was in America with the company's tours. You clearly don't know the man at all: this is a man who won medals for weightlifting or foot races in college, managed a theatre for decades, only retiring when his co-worker/boss/best friend died, and had actually jumped into a river to try and save a suicidal man from drowning. Also, Dracula was not his only book: ever heard of The Primrose Path? Or The Lair of the White Worm? Go look him up, I'll wait. And one last thing: Stoker was a married man.

Sorry about exploding like that. After recapping Dracula the Un-Dead and doing my research on the man for that book, this kind of misrepresentation and insulting just makes me mad.
Edited Date: 2014-06-04 03:58 am (UTC)

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Date: 2014-10-26 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
Very late reply to this, but it gets even worse in Chosen. Grandma Redbird somehow scores a super-rare edition of Dracula for Zoey, because it happens to be her favorite book ever, and the following conversation more or less takes place:

Zoey: Cool! Hey, Grandma, did you know that Bram Stoker wrote this because he imprinted on a High Priestess but got upset because she left him for her duties?

Grandma: I did not! That's very interesting, sweetie.

Zoey's Mom: I think that sounds horrible and like brainwashing.

Zoey: OMG MOM, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO DIFFICULT? IT'S PURE AND TRUE LOVE, OKAY?

Yeah. The morality of this series is all over the place. Near as I can tell, vampires are totally in the right to drink from various humans and magically brainwash them, but the humans are considered horrible for doing stuff in retaliation.

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Date: 2014-10-26 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-fofa.livejournal.com
Yes, I read that part (at the time I write this, I'm almost done with Tempted). And then there was Hunted, where they flat out get the events of the book wrong, thinking that Mina and Dracula were lovers when in the book they weren't even close to such a relationship. *fumes* It's because of this disrespect to Bram Stoker that I've punched the books several times and is probably the YA series I hate the most.

Yeah. The morality of this series is all over the place. Near as I can tell, vampires are totally in the right to drink from various humans and magically brainwash them, but the humans are considered horrible for doing stuff in retaliation.

Ughhh, that kills me too. If only this setting had a group of vampire hunters that would actually win and justify what they're doing, Nyx be damned.

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Date: 2014-10-26 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
Somehow, that change doesn't even surprise me. Not only do most modern adaptations of Dracula seem to love doing that (it's right up there with portraying Lucy as a whore -_-), but the Cast Ladies LOVE taking old stories/myths and making it so that a man and woman who were antagonistic or who had no relationship were actually True Lovers. Odysseus and Circe? She didn't transform his men and force Odysseus to stay with her so she'd undo it! She actually was a kindly vampire priestess who singlehandedly got Odysseus and his crew past every obstacle and all just because he let her drink from him (which is even worse considering he tells her that Penelope is his One True Love...right before the narrative tells us that he and his men spend an entire fucking year lazing around on the island!) Cleopatra and Marc Antony? Cleopatra didn't seduce Antony in a political move to protect Egypt from Rome. She was overcome by his manly charms and he fell in True Love with her! Egypt fell because she neglected her duties in favor of Love. (I suspect "Antony and Cleopatra" was used as the source material for this, instead of the actual fucking historic characters, since we get no mention of Cleopatra also sexing up Caesar and having his kid, nor of her marrying her 10-year-old brother.)

It really would. Unfortunately, as Chosen shows, a couple of alleged humans going after a few vampires is considered sufficient grounds for Neferet declaring war on humans, with all the student body (who were human not so long ago and still have human friends and family!) cheering her on.

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Date: 2014-10-26 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-fofa.livejournal.com
Seeing the pop culture versions is probably easier for the ladies than doing honest-to-god research.

Unfortunately, as Chosen shows, a couple of alleged humans going after a few vampires is considered sufficient grounds for Neferet declaring war on humans, with all the student body (who were human not so long ago and still have human friends and family!) cheering her on.

No one ever thinks to point out that humans are what get turned to make vampires, so if the humans were gone, there would be no more new vampires being made. But that's me putting real-life logic into this.

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Date: 2014-10-26 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
They do research when they want to, apparently.

And yeah, nobody points that out. Granted nobody ever mentions vampires dying of old age and apparently meanie humans are the only ones who want to kill vampires, but still.

(In Neferet's backstory novella, after Neferet undergoes immense abuse from her father and finally turns into a vampire, her mentor flat-out tells her that vampires are smarter, stronger, prettier, and more talented than humans, and that "Without us, their world would be no more than a snuffed candle". This is what they told a hurt girl who has every reason already to be pissed at humanity. And they're SURPRISED she went on to be all Evil Overlord on the humans!)

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Date: 2014-10-26 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-fofa.livejournal.com
her mentor flat-out tells her that vampires are smarter, stronger, prettier, and more talented than humans, and that "Without us, their world would be no more than a snuffed candle".

Really! I think our world managed just fine without vampires, thank you very much, Cast ladies.

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Date: 2014-10-26 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com
Yep! It only works that way because the Cast ladies wrote nearly every influential person ever as either a vampire or inspired by a vampire. That doesn't mean they're smarter or better, it means they were talented and had a genetic quirk that made them need to suck blood!

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Date: 2014-10-27 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-fofa.livejournal.com
I don't think the Cast ladies realized how insulting they were to the people they made as vampires, referring to them as what's supposed to be undead corpses. (I remember seeing the Fledgling Handbook at the library a while back and when I saw the pictures of figures "marked" as vampires, my mind went "that's so photoshopped.")

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