Patch says that when the original angels Fell for *sigh* tempting Eve, the entire thing was done quietly and thus none of the other angels knew what being a fallen angel entailed.
Before this earth was organized so that we could live on it, we lived very happily as spirit children of our heavenly parents. Our spirits looked like the physical bodies that we have now, and each spirit had a distinct personality with strengths and weaknesses. While in this spirit world, we grew until we could no longer progress without a physical body. We wanted to prove our worthiness to become like our Heavenly Father, and we were anxious to receive a physical body and to enter a time of testing.
This explains why Patch wants to become human. It has nothing to do with admiring humanity; he's basically stuck in kindergarten, and he has to become human if he's to advance and gain any spiritual power and authority. Also, please remember--for a Mormon male, "become like your Heavenly Father" is not advice to be kind, merciful, just, compassionate, etc. It means, "Do God's will, become spiritually advanced, and someday, you too will be a god with a planet of your own." If you're a Mormon man, humanity is just a step on the road to to eventual godhood.
Anyway, God calls a council meeting of all the souls ever and tells them that He's creating Earth and is going to give each soul a physical body and free will, so that they could voluntarily choose right. Of course, God knows that some people will choose wrong, especially since, in physical form, they won't remember, but no worries, He'll send someone to teach them the Gospel. And oh, by the way, there will need to be a Savior. Jesus volunteers.
Then Lucifer, another of God’s spirit sons, said “Behold, here am I; send me. I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.”
Basically, in Mormon thinking, it's not about Lucifer wanting to take over Heaven and be worshiped as God. It's about Lucifer thinking he would make a better Savior than his older brother, Jesus. And a third of God's "spirit children" agree with him.
Well, war does NOT divide Heaven. It's more like a long, tedious quarrel that divides a family. The story goes on:
Heavenly Father loved these spirit children, but because they were rebellious and refused to obey, they were no longer worthy to remain with him. Because they had rejected the plan, they could not be born on the earth and receive physical bodies. The only thing that could be done was to cast them out of heaven.
Notice that they aren't thrown into Hell. They seem to be wandering around the Earth as bodiless spirits.
As for the bit about multiple fallen angels tempting Eve? I think this is where she got it.
And Satan put it into the heart of the serpent, (for he had drawn away many after him,) and he sought also to beguile Eve, for he knew not the mind of God, wherefore he sought to destroy the world.
The idea seems to be that all of Lucifer's followers simultaneously aided him in tempting Eve. Whether this is accurate, I don't know, but I think that's how Fitzpatrick took it.
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Fallen Angels--the Mormon Version
Date: 2011-09-30 10:44 am (UTC)Enter Mormon theology. This version--based on Abraham 3: 21-28 and Moses 4:1-4--is for kids, but I'll take what I can get.
Before this earth was organized so that we could live on it, we lived very happily as spirit children of our heavenly parents. Our spirits looked like the physical bodies that we have now, and each spirit had a distinct personality with strengths and weaknesses. While in this spirit world, we grew until we could no longer progress without a physical body. We wanted to prove our worthiness to become like our Heavenly Father, and we were anxious to receive a physical body and to enter a time of testing.
This explains why Patch wants to become human. It has nothing to do with admiring humanity; he's basically stuck in kindergarten, and he has to become human if he's to advance and gain any spiritual power and authority. Also, please remember--for a Mormon male, "become like your Heavenly Father" is not advice to be kind, merciful, just, compassionate, etc. It means, "Do God's will, become spiritually advanced, and someday, you too will be a god with a planet of your own." If you're a Mormon man, humanity is just a step on the road to to eventual godhood.
Anyway, God calls a council meeting of all the souls ever and tells them that He's creating Earth and is going to give each soul a physical body and free will, so that they could voluntarily choose right. Of course, God knows that some people will choose wrong, especially since, in physical form, they won't remember, but no worries, He'll send someone to teach them the Gospel. And oh, by the way, there will need to be a Savior. Jesus volunteers.
Then Lucifer, another of God’s spirit sons, said “Behold, here am I; send me. I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.”
Basically, in Mormon thinking, it's not about Lucifer wanting to take over Heaven and be worshiped as God. It's about Lucifer thinking he would make a better Savior than his older brother, Jesus. And a third of God's "spirit children" agree with him.
Well, war does NOT divide Heaven. It's more like a long, tedious quarrel that divides a family. The story goes on:
Heavenly Father loved these spirit children, but because they were rebellious and refused to obey, they were no longer worthy to remain with him. Because they had rejected the plan, they could not be born on the earth and receive physical bodies. The only thing that could be done was to cast them out of heaven.
Notice that they aren't thrown into Hell. They seem to be wandering around the Earth as bodiless spirits.
As for the bit about multiple fallen angels tempting Eve? I think this is where she got it.
And Satan put it into the heart of the serpent, (for he had drawn away many after him,) and he sought also to beguile Eve, for he knew not the mind of God, wherefore he sought to destroy the world.
The idea seems to be that all of Lucifer's followers simultaneously aided him in tempting Eve. Whether this is accurate, I don't know, but I think that's how Fitzpatrick took it.