"Yes, through almost the entire serie he is disrespectful, and intrusive. We can ask ourselfs "whats the point of that" yes. Through the entire serie he's ALSO caring, loving and protective? Not that I like this expression but: boy's will be boy's?"
There are certain behaviors that really shouldn't be handwaved with "well, that's the way boys are". Stalking and attempted murder are amongst them. Not only is it ridiculous to laugh off criminal behavior, but it's rather insulting to the men of the world who DON'T stalk and plan to murder their significant others.
"and no matter how much she hates it, she can't resist him, where ever she goes, he's there. "Because he's stalking her!", oh really smartass?"
That's generally the definition of stalking, yes. He's wherever she is. He and Jules even say as much. An extra chapter in the third book shows that he'd been routinely stalking her while planning to kill her, to the point where he knew her routines.
"No he wants to be humen, getting close to Nora is the only way."
Specifically to kill her. Again, the book outright states that murdering her (and, by extension, Jules) is the only way to make him be human.
"Don't you also think he keeps an eye on her because he want to keep her safe? Does he seem like the type of guy that hides in the bushes and take creep photos behind her back?"
Frankly yes, he does strike me as that type. In the first chapter, he does basically say he has a collection of photos of her, right before he rattles off all of the hobbies and plans in life she has. And again, he said he stalked Nora before he fell in love with her (although I'm firmly of the opinion that it's impossible to truly fall in love with a person before you've even spoken to them, but those are my thoughts). So for at least part of his stalking, he'd been doing it with an intent to murder and not to protect her.
Of course, whatever his intentions, the fact that he was stalking at all is still something that shouldn't be casually dismissed. Stalking is a crime. It's frightening. Many people who followed this sporking have been stalked. Ket Makura, who is currently co-sporking the redone version of this sporking, has spoken about her own experiences with stalking and how she is incredibly grateful that her stalker stopped before he did something horrible to her.
Long story short, it infuriates these people and many others to see stalking glamorized as a sign of love. Twilight did it, this book did it, and yes, so did Fifty Shades of Grey.
Speaking of which, many of these people have bones to pick with that series as well. Including, again, Ket Makura, who is also co-sporking the sporking of that as well. The acts of not liking this series as well as not liking Fifty Shades of Grey are not mutually exclusive, I assure you.
"Yes, I know. But before you call Patch a rapist for seducing Nora after having dinner, after weeks of secret wanting, take a look at Mr Grey, he's hiden red room and he's private little virgin. [...] We all have the right to post our oppinion, but hey, why not start a book club."
I'm...really not sure what your point here is. The beef with Patch isn't that he got Nora dinner, it was that he entered her house against her wishes, after (we later find out) deliberately arranging events so that she couldn't get a ride home with her friends. In other words, he forced his company upon her. That's the issue.
The issues with Mr. Grey, similarly, are that he forces his will upon Ana, using BDSM as a means to hurt her instead of having consensual sex, not that he has a private room for BDSM.
If you're admitting that we all have our rights to our opinion, why are you telling us to go do it elsewhere?
"Is Nora more frighten than intrested - trying to stay away more than she's curious - more unwilling than willing?"
Well, most of their interactions up to this point are initiated by him manipulating the situation so she has (or believes she has) no choice but to go with them.
"Just some things to think about.. from some one neutral"
You're more than welcome to leave your opinion, of course. That you titled your comment "How about. grow up and get a life?" and said how you laughed at everyone here, however, would suggest the opposite of neutrality.
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Re: How about.. grow up and get a life?
Date: 2014-08-17 12:15 am (UTC)There are certain behaviors that really shouldn't be handwaved with "well, that's the way boys are". Stalking and attempted murder are amongst them. Not only is it ridiculous to laugh off criminal behavior, but it's rather insulting to the men of the world who DON'T stalk and plan to murder their significant others.
"and no matter how much she hates it, she can't resist him, where ever she goes, he's there. "Because he's stalking her!", oh really smartass?"
That's generally the definition of stalking, yes. He's wherever she is. He and Jules even say as much. An extra chapter in the third book shows that he'd been routinely stalking her while planning to kill her, to the point where he knew her routines.
"No he wants to be humen, getting close to Nora is the only way."
Specifically to kill her. Again, the book outright states that murdering her (and, by extension, Jules) is the only way to make him be human.
"Don't you also think he keeps an eye on her because he want to keep her safe? Does he seem like the type of guy that hides in the bushes and take creep photos behind her back?"
Frankly yes, he does strike me as that type. In the first chapter, he does basically say he has a collection of photos of her, right before he rattles off all of the hobbies and plans in life she has. And again, he said he stalked Nora before he fell in love with her (although I'm firmly of the opinion that it's impossible to truly fall in love with a person before you've even spoken to them, but those are my thoughts). So for at least part of his stalking, he'd been doing it with an intent to murder and not to protect her.
Of course, whatever his intentions, the fact that he was stalking at all is still something that shouldn't be casually dismissed. Stalking is a crime. It's frightening. Many people who followed this sporking have been stalked. Ket Makura, who is currently co-sporking the redone version of this sporking, has spoken about her own experiences with stalking and how she is incredibly grateful that her stalker stopped before he did something horrible to her.
Long story short, it infuriates these people and many others to see stalking glamorized as a sign of love. Twilight did it, this book did it, and yes, so did Fifty Shades of Grey.
Speaking of which, many of these people have bones to pick with that series as well. Including, again, Ket Makura, who is also co-sporking the sporking of that as well. The acts of not liking this series as well as not liking Fifty Shades of Grey are not mutually exclusive, I assure you.
"Yes, I know. But before you call Patch a rapist for seducing Nora after having dinner, after weeks of secret wanting, take a look at Mr Grey, he's hiden red room and he's private little virgin. [...] We all have the right to post our oppinion, but hey, why not start a book club."
I'm...really not sure what your point here is. The beef with Patch isn't that he got Nora dinner, it was that he entered her house against her wishes, after (we later find out) deliberately arranging events so that she couldn't get a ride home with her friends. In other words, he forced his company upon her. That's the issue.
The issues with Mr. Grey, similarly, are that he forces his will upon Ana, using BDSM as a means to hurt her instead of having consensual sex, not that he has a private room for BDSM.
If you're admitting that we all have our rights to our opinion, why are you telling us to go do it elsewhere?
"Is Nora more frighten than intrested - trying to stay away more than she's curious - more unwilling than willing?"
Well, most of their interactions up to this point are initiated by him manipulating the situation so she has (or believes she has) no choice but to go with them.
"Just some things to think about.. from some one neutral"
You're more than welcome to leave your opinion, of course. That you titled your comment "How about. grow up and get a life?" and said how you laughed at everyone here, however, would suggest the opposite of neutrality.