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zelda_queen ([personal profile] zelda_queen) wrote2011-03-05 07:52 pm

Marked: Chapter 10

ZeldaQueen: Nothing happens in this chapter. I am dead serious

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Chapter 10

ZeldaQueen: Still stinging from Aphrodite's...erm scathing retorts, Damien says that he hopes that she'll be brought down by her own hubris. Everyone goes "Dur...what?" and Stevie Rae says that hubris is "
having godlike arrogance". I have to ask, have none of these kids had vocabulary tests? Because I'm pretty darned sure that I knew what "hubris" meant when I was in high school.

Zoey comments that she knew about hubris because she read Medea, and I'm shocked that someone has finally made a literary reference that is vaguely relevant. The Casts are one up on Meyer in that score, at least.

Erin and Shaunee contemplate beating the hubris out of Aphrodite, and Stevie Rae implies that the punishment for fighting well outweighs any satisfaction that they'd get. Zoey says that she has no intention of going to the full moon ritual-thing and everyone says um no, she doesn't have a choice. Neferet is her mentor and the High Priestess and is expecting her to go and so she'd damn well better. Stevie Rae also warns that backing out will make it look like Zoey is scared of them. Zoey points out that she is scared of them, and Stevie Rae says that if they find out, it will be worse than if Zoey stood up to them. She then goes all sad puppy over whatever they did to her and Damien pats her hand. She tells Zoey that it ought to be fine, as they won't dare do anything terrible while on campus. I don't have a good feeling about this. Apparently the Dark Daughters go do some unnamed mischief away from the school, which everyone is pissed about. For some reason, Stevie Rae thinks that Zoey might get along with some of them alright. I have no idea why, since all we've been told is that they're selfish bitches who hate humans, and Zoey is not supposed to seem like any of those things. Ah wait, it's a convenient reason for Zoey to look noble and declare that she's nothing like them.

Oh, and there's yet another dig at her stepfather and the other members of that church and "
how ironic it was that they seemed to have so much in common with a group of teenagers who called themselves the daughters of a goddess". Um, exactly what are you referring to? The fact that they do rituals of some sort? Every religion I can think of has some sort of ritual. Just because they don't involve dancing around a campfire at midnight doesn't exclude them. Or was it the arrogance and intolerance? Because again, you could look pretty much anywhere and find that, yourself included. Why not add "How ironic it was that they seemed to have so much in common with a bitchy teenager who constantly vilifies groups and people that she doesn't like"?

Incidentally, there's another point about the People's Faith group that I'd like to bring up, but we'll save that for a bit.

Zoey doesn't want to talk about Aphrodite anymore, so she changes the subject
.


ZeldaQueen: She brings up the symbols of the various grades, which she has noticed on the various people, and asks what they mean. And I shall let you read it all at once, before I comment

"
'So explain to me about the different symbols you wear here. You told me about ours— Nyx's spiral. Damien has a spiral, too, so that must mean he's a…' I paused to remember what Stevie Rae had called freshmen, 'a third former. But Erin and Shaunee have wings, and Aphrodite had something else.'

'You mean besides that cob stuck straight up her skinny anus?' Erin muttered.

'She means the three Fates,' Damien interjected, beating Shaunee to whatever she was going to add. 'The three Fates are children of Nyx. The sixth formers all wear the emblem of the Fates, with Atropos holding scissors to symbolize the end of school.'

'And for some of us, the end of life,' Erin added gloomily.

That shut everyone up. When I couldn't stand the uncomfortable silence anymore I cleared my throat and said, 'So what about Erin and Shaunee's wings?'

'The wings of Eros, who is the child of Nyx's seed —'

'The
love god,' Shaunee said, adding a seated gyration of her hips.

Damien frowned at her and kept talking. "The golden wings of Eros are the fourth formers' symbol.”

"'Cause we're the love class,' Erin sang, raising her arms over her head and shimmying her hips.

'Actually, it's because we're supposed to be reminded of Nyx's capacity to love, and the wings symbolize our continuous  movement forward.'

'What's the symbol for fifth formers?' I asked.

'Nyx's golden chariot pulling a trail of stars,' Damien said.

'I think it's the prettiest of the four symbols,' Stevie Rae said. 'Those stars sparkle like crazy.'

'The chariot shows that we continue on Nyx's journey. The stars represent the magic of the two years that have already passed.'
"

ZeldaQueen: *rubs eyes* How do I put this to the Cast ladies as respectfully as I can?

NO

So...let's start with the three Fates. Nyx actually was the mother of them, according to Hesiod's poem Theogony. I do find it rather poor taste to use that symbol though, considering that cutting the thread meant death for mortals and these kids are all terrified that they'll die in four years.

Next, the labyrinth and the chariot. Yeah, those things? Nyx never had any of them, near as I can tell. The only labyrinth I've ever heard of in Greek mythology was the labyrinth of the Minotaur, which Theseus navigated and which, near as I've ever heard, Nyx had nothing to do with. The only golden chariot I've heard of (and indeed, pretty much the only chariot that is prominent in pop culture) is Apollo's chariot. That was the chariot that carried the sun across the sky. From what I gathered from mythology, the gods stuck the stars up themselves. But alright, we can figure that maybe Nyx had those things and we just never heard about them.

Last, Eros. This surprised me, but there is something to back the claim that Eros was Nyx's son - in the opening choir of Aristophanes' The Birds, Nyx is the mother of Eros. However, that is the ONLY thing that I have found that would support that claim. Pretty much everything else has him as the son of Aphrodite. If the Casts wanted to reach that far, they might as well have used Isaiah as a symbol of how Nyx defends the common people because hey, there's a Paris psaulter that depicts the two standing together. What makes it even weirder is that Nyx does have a child named Philotes, who is the goddess of affection and friendship. If they wanted to show a nicer side to Nyx, why not use that?

In sort, the Cast ladies are really reaching there, but I guess they're in the ballpark more than Meyer, like that takes effort.

So yeah, the girls go on about how smart Damien is and he tells them that they'd be just as smart if they didn't write notes in class and stare at cute guys. They reply that he's really "
prudey", "[e]specially for a gay boy". Dear lord, make it stop! Damien gets his "revenge" by commenting how Erin seems to be getting split ends. She freaks out - no trace of irony or sarcasm at all - and Shaunee starts to "puff up like a mocha-colored blowfish". Stevie Rae quickly excuses herself and Zoey and the two run off.

They head off for their dorm and pause to stop Erin and Shaunee's gray cat, Beezlebub, from attacking Damien's tabby, Cammy. This prompts Stevie Rae to start talking about how sweet Damien is, and how he's just been so put-upon because of his gayness, and strap in for a bumpy ride, ladies and gents.

Apparently Damien had some trouble with his first roommate, in that said roommate was a homophobe and told Neferet he refused to room with him. I do have to wonder how Neferet could pick out perfectly-fitting uniforms for the new students, but can't take a moment to figure out if something like that can happen. Oh, and the homophobic roommate's name was Thor, and that's also held up as a sign of how how horrible he was. Anyway, Neferet didn't like Thor's attitude, so she let Damien go have a room to himself. In other words, in the entirety of the vast student body of this school, apparently there wasn't a single other guy who was willing to room with him?

Zoey asks if there are any other homosexual students (...why are they having this conversation when they could be having a plot?) and Stevie Rae says that there's a few lesbians who mostly keep to themselves and apparently really are involved with Nyx's temple and for some reason, she then brings up the girls who pretend to be lesbians to get guys interested. The two go on for way too long about how whorish it is to pretend to be a lesbian just to get a boyfriend, and while it's a noble (if odd) moral, I do have to wonder WHY WE ARE SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON THIS INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMETHING INTERESTING HAPPEN.

I'm sorry.

Oh, and apparently there are other gay guys, but they're "
mostly too weird and girly for him". So from what I'm getting, every gay guy in this place is a Rupaul knock-off or something similar



ZeldaQueen: Stevie Rae also says that his parents never write to him and that they apparently were secretly relieved he was Marked, because they didn't know what to do with a gay son. When Zoey asks her to specify, we find out that Damien lived in Dallas and his father is a minister for the People of Faith and fuckracquet, here we go again.

I have to ask, is this some parallel universe where there's only one form of Christian church in the entire Midwest region? Because that's all we've gotten thus far. I mean, someone could argue that they were meant to be representative of extreme groups like the Westboro Baptist Church, which are so nutty that they're pretty much alone in their viewpoints, except that we're given nothing different to go off of. I guess you could also argue that they're like the groups in True Blood, that they're only gaining momentum because of the vampires or what have you, but it still feels lazy, especially since there are plenty of valid reasons for them to dislike or distrust vampires.

I'm sorry, I lost track of myself.

So yeah, they have now reached the dorm and Stevie Rae takes Zoey off to this little kitchen room, which is all stocked with drinks and fruits and vegetables and lean meat. Stevie Rae explains that the vampires want the fledgelings to eat pretty healthily, so they don't give them junk food. Yet they allow them to drink pop. Interesting. Oh, and they also have expensive chocolate, since the vampires thing that chocolate in moderation is healthy. This leads to a line from Zoey which is actually pretty funny - "
Okay, so who the hell wants to eat chocolate in moderation?" And I have to admit, there is a good reason for this. When fledglings start to reject the change, they get weak or sick or fat (...really?) and so the adult vampires want to remove dietary variables so that if they see kids like that, they know what's up.

And...that's it. Nothing happens in this chapter! Criminey, by this point in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, we had a fight with a mountain troll. A MOUNTAIN TROLL.

I hate this book



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[identity profile] pastiche-cain.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Cast ladies, please, SHUT UP ABOUT HIM BEING GAY! IF IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, WHY ARE YOU GOING ON AND ON ABOUT IT?

Also, who the hell is stupid enough to name themselves Thor? Wouldn't he choose something dangerous like, uh, Blade? Or Shadow? Or something equally as dumb as Thor but still plausible?

[identity profile] turtlecrackers.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I agree. It's getting really annoying when they keep going on about it. If it's not a big plot point, don't linger on it for too long. Why is that so hard to grasp? ]=

"Wouldn't he choose something dangerous like, uh, Blade? Or Shadow? Or something equally as dumb as Thor but still plausible? "

How about Dark Smoke Puncher (http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/2p10)? 8D

Well... To be honest, I don't really think that Thor is a stupid name. He could just have been thinking of the thunder-god Thor from the Norse mythology when he chose it.

[identity profile] pastiche-cain.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
The name coming from the thunder-god Thor is a good theory, considering all the mythology in this book. I just don't think the Casts meant it like that. I think they would have Stevie Rae or Zoey hold are hand and mention that. Besides, it sounds like something cool J.K Rowling would do, :D

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
I think the Thor thing was supposed to be that he liked the name of the god, so it's like a male version of what Zoey thought about Aphrodite.

All I can think of is my mother's story about how a kid in her class told a substitute teacher that his name was "Thor, God of Thunder". XD

[identity profile] pastiche-cain.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
It DOES make scense but I just don't like this book enough to give them credit. And Aphrodite's parents named her that, ZOEY.

Lol, XD

[identity profile] lurkythespork.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, who the hell is stupid enough to name themselves Thor?

Someone who is too stupid to anticipate all the jokes to be made at his expense:

"Hi, I'm Thor."
"Oh, maybe you should take thome athpirin."

A creative writer could have fun with that. I'm going to guess there won't be any fun in this book.

[identity profile] emmram.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I stared at that joke for five full minutes before I got it.

Clearly, my brain does not function at 3 in the morning.

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-07 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
"Someone who is too stupid to anticipate all the jokes to be made at his expense:"

Now see, that's another thing that tends to get forgotten in these stories where people choose weird names for themselves. Stupid "snarky" comments from the narrator aside, if someone in a high school setting really did give themselves names like that, there'd be jokes and teasing like there's no tomorrow.

And no, there's no fun. The closest thing is how fun I keep imagining beating Zoey with a shovel would be.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Just like Aphrodite, some people actually are named Thor. A famous one is Thor Heyerdahl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl
carmyn: (Default)

[personal profile] carmyn 2011-02-06 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk*

Why the hell do we even care that Damien is gay? All this reads like is that they went all 'SEE, WE ARE ACCEPTING! WE EVEN HAVE A GAY CHARACTER!!!', probs cause Meyer didn't have a single gay character. (What? They wrote this stupid series just to ride Meyer's coattails, so they would have heard about all of her complains by now) Instead, they just sound horribly ignorant. Ugh, they have only been jumping up and down over that for two chapters and I already want to shoot them. He's never going to get a love interest, is he?

[identity profile] pastiche-cain.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
It reminds me of the Evermore series and The Mortal Instruments, how they just HAD to have gay guys in them so they would seem accepting. And they had to be gay otherwise they'd fall for the beautiful main character in a heartbeat. (Okay, The Mortal Instruments didn't really do that, in fact he kind of hated her at the start, but still.)

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
Either they were avoiding the accusations at Meyer, or it was some clumsy attempt to establish that Zoey isn't intolerant or bigoted, nope.

Although yes, he does get a love interest. And from what I understand, the love interest is just as stereotyped and his name...yeah.

[identity profile] melpomene-ll.livejournal.com 2012-03-24 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
If I recall, this is about the point where Zoey thinks "I can't stand homophobes" and I put the book down a few pages later. Sure, you can't stand homophobes. Just like you can't stand celebrities, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, humans, Christians, people who actually have sex in high school, people who get plastic surgery of any kind, or anyone else who disagrees with you in any way. I can see you're very morally superior.

[identity profile] aura-boreal.livejournal.com 2011-02-07 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
It's not just this book either. In the other books, at least as far as I read up to, there's always at least a couple really gratuitous mentions about him being gay. Seriously, that seems to be his defining character trait.

[identity profile] mogseltof.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Oh man, I didn't even pick up on the symbol thing. :(

As a side note, the headdesk pic is fantabulous!

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
I thought I was going to have an involuntary spaz attack over the symbols. In the public library I was reading the book in, no less! Granted, I didn't know about the play where Nyx really was Eros's mother, but my reaction was still "HOW DID YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION?!?"

Thank you! ^_^

[identity profile] pastiche-cain.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
I think they actually just made it all up and we're the ones searching up names and getting it all wrong because it's all made up. That's the only conclusion I can come up with :(

(Anonymous) 2011-02-06 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
In regards to Eros:

I think they would have done better for the other god you mentioned, Philotes, given that Eros wasn't the god of love in the sense that they're using it, he was the god of lust. Aphrodite was all about romantic love and the courtship; Eros was about the physical attraction, the human instinct, the actual act of sex.

Which I really don't think they intended to mean. Then again...

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
O_o You're right. Philotes would have been far more appropriate.

Given how I've heard Zoey acts with guys throughout this series though...yeah, you have to wonder.

[identity profile] anakinnotvader.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
I find it rather amusing that Zoey knows about hubris and still acts ridiculously condescending to everyone who's not as **amazingly cool** as her. Then again, I probably shouldn't be expecting anyone in this book to have even the slightest modicum of sense or normal behavior.

[identity profile] pastiche-cain.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
That's the thing, isn't it? No one really acts, like a regular teen. I mean, Harry, Ron, Hermione and all the other kids at Hogwarts acted a bit tame compared to schools I've been to (when you're 13 your hormones are x10 more than usual and you tend to swear a hell of a lot more) but they still acted like regular kids and then teens. The teenagers in this book... I don't even... I mean, none of them are really realistic... you know?

I can't really explain it but Erin, Shaunee and Zoey all remind me of 3 stuck up, flirty girls in my middle school. (Yes, I know that sounds gross for a 12 year old, but they did act flirty) And even then, those three girls, acted like normal people. They talked to others, made friends with others, included others... These five just seem to get their own clique going then ignore the outside world like they're to good for it... If Kristen was telling the truth and THIS is how she'd think and act if she were Zoey, then, Jesus Christ.

[identity profile] lurkythespork.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
*sigh, facepalm*

This...

This is so pathetic I don't even. I just don't. My logic can't even find purchase in this mess.

Except to add alongside those who have commented before: IF IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL THAT DAMIEN IS GAY, WHY ARE YOU MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT!? GOD ALMIGHTY!

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
There's really no room for logic here. I wish there was, but there isn't. :(

[identity profile] watson8888.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Are they going to mention that Damien is gay and Shaunee is black every time we see them? Cause that's edging into Royal Tenenbaum "my adopted daughter Margot" territory. Except it was a joke there.

Also, re: the chariot. Perhaps they confused or tried to meld Nyx with Selene, who does ride a chariot. She was a Titan, not an Olympian, but she carried the moon across the sky each night (and had an emo romance with a mortal).

And you're right - having the Fates as the symbol for the last year is twisted, especially since we're told it's a real possibility that these kids could die. Why not have something like Eos, the dawn, which could just as easily symbolize and end of Night without being as overtly "and also possible DEATH"?

[identity profile] lurkythespork.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
That would require sensitivity. The Case ladies do not have this.

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-07 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Eos would have been far better. Or heck, why not Hemera? Apparently Theogyny had it that she and Nyx were opposites, with one leaving Tartus when the other went in.

[identity profile] aikaterini.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
/Everyone goes "Dur...what?" and Stevie Rae says that hubris is "having godlike arrogance". I have to ask, have none of these kids had vocabulary tests? Because I'm pretty darned sure that I knew what "hubris" meant when I was in high school./

Yes, and in Greek mythology, hubris is seen as such a crime because it's arrogance to the point of *insulting* gods. Ex. Arachne boasting that she was a better weaver than Athena, Niobe bragging about being better than Leto because Leto only had two children while Niobe had twelve, etc. Zoey and her friends are not gods, so if the Casts were trying to make the connection there, they didn't do a very good job of it.

As far as the Casts' mythology fail, I have to admit that Eros's origins are confusing. Most versions have him as the son of Aphrodite. Other versions do have him as a son of Chaos, created along with Gaia and the rest of the universe. However, in my opinion, that version of Eros is more of a force of nature and the actual personification of Love, rather than the person. I don't know, that's just my idea. *shrugs*

And yes, Eros was the god of *sexual* love. In fact, the word "erotas" in Ancient Greek refers to the sexual side of love, a.k.a. desire. So, while Erin's reaction was appropriate, the Casts should have been more specific with Eros's role, rather than just saying that he was the god of love, which is too general.

/They reply that he's really "prudey", "[e]specially for a gay boy"./

Oh, yeah, because gay guys are all a bunch of lustful nymphomaniacs who can't go a day without getting laid. *sarcasm*

Why is Damien friends with these people again?

And wasn't it just the last chapter that Zoey made it clear that she was surprised that he wasn't really a "girly type?" Yes, I can truly see how this book promotes understanding and respect toward the gay community. *rolls eyes*

/Oh, and apparently there are other gay guys, but they're "mostly too weird and girly for him"./

Because there is no such thing as an overly masculine gay guy. No, they're all twittering, effeminate drama queens who prance around in makeup. *headdesk*

[identity profile] witty-screename.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Ms. and Ms. Cast? In your efforts to show how "accepting" and "non-discriminating" you are, you have pretty much offended huge chunks of people who pick up your novels. Deeply religious people/Christians in general? Check. Southerners or people who like country music and the style? Check. Homosexuals? Check. Teenagers in general? Check. Mythology lovers? Check. People with step-parents? Check. And even though it's not really bad yet--black people? Check.

I'm probably forgetting some, but anyway, as of right now, this is just terrible. I can't help but think they wanted a goofy satire on high school or something, but their less-than-subtle heavy-handed commentary on anyone who doesn't agree with them makes me think otherwise.

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-07 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
This is from a later chapter, but you will probably be able to add feminists and skinny kids in dance class to that list. -_-

I honestly don't know what they wanted. Like I said, apparently chick flicks were their source of research, which would explain quite a lot.

[identity profile] parrinoyed.livejournal.com 2011-02-09 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Didn't you say that weight-gain is a sign of doom? So that counts.

Gosh, this is embarrassing.

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-09 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
You're right, but there is one reason I didn't go full-on ranty for that - technically, weight gain COULD be a sign of illness or something wrong with your body. Even so, given how shallow everyone is, just putting it as "fat" is rather stupid.

[identity profile] yemi-hikari.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You were right about this chapter being plotless. Not to mention a big mess up on the parts of the Cast family.

[identity profile] tsukasabuddha.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Sigh, Medea is one of my favorite plays. I am guessing the Casts picked it for the female main character. Here's the thing, Medea uses occult witchcraft to kill Jason's children, new wife, and father-in-law. Before this she had chopped up her own brother to allow them to escape and used the daughters of Jason's enemy to kill him. She went into exile for Jason, and didn't like the fact he was marrying a princess so that she and her children could have a stable home. While you may find some people attributing hubris to Jason, it is not the best interpretation of the work.

Cupid was a right bastard, though his lineage could be right. He enjoyed shooting people in ways that would end messy with gold and lead arrows, especially with the gods. The kind of love he inspired was thought by the Greeks to be a kind of madness that was cured by getting it on. But Nix does have a labyrinth in Persona 3!

Back on the gay thing, this is the type of work that really annoys me. Should I be happy they are beating us over the head with acceptance? Or should I be ticked that he is just a stereotypical gay best friend?

[identity profile] lurkythespork.livejournal.com 2011-02-07 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Given how condescending this kind of "acceptance" tends to be, go ahead and take the plunge. Be ticked.

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-07 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Medea was one of those plays were both characters could be pitied or hated. On one hand, Medea did sacrifice her entire life to help Jason. She killed her brother and could not go home and he knew it and he abandoned her. On the other hand, as you pointed out, she was psychotic so you can understand why he'd want to get the fuck away from her.

Given that Damien's more or less used as a social handbag for Zoey to show off (I skipped this, but she gets up on a huge soap box about how much she hates homophobes), be ticked off.

[identity profile] parrinoyed.livejournal.com 2011-02-09 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
(I skipped this, but she gets up on a huge soap box about how much she hates homophobes)

I hate Zoey.

...I wanted to say something intelligent and thought-out, and rather more articulate than "I hate" but I can't, because I do.

[identity profile] lurkeriatipsos.livejournal.com 2011-12-28 06:37 am (UTC)(link)
The kind of love he inspired was thought by the Greeks to be a kind of madness that was cured by getting it on.

Heh. The Celts thought it was an illness.

[identity profile] winki-pop.livejournal.com 2011-02-18 07:16 am (UTC)(link)
First of all, kudos on your Greek mythology knowledge, real thorough stuff :) At least you did more research than the Casts ever could. Why am I not reading your novel instead, I bet it'd be much better than the crap you're sporking :P

And why is it so bad that a teenager would know the definition of 'hubris'? Not all teenagers are that blind. I actually see this as a reflection of a rather sad fact in our society: that it's somehow 'weird' that someone would actually waste their time priding themselves on being smart in a society that rewards mediocrity, especially among girls. There's still a rather subtle stigma attached to being good at something or knowing something, and that it's more important for girls to bee attractive and popular rather than have ambition or to be good at something or pride yourself on knowledge. I mean, just look at this line: 'When fledglings start to reject the change, they get weak or sick or fat (...really?)' Oh noes, it's, like, so icky to be FAT! And isn't it interesting that it's Damien, the supposed outcast in this story, is the one who dispense all the knowledge about the gods to Zoey in this chapter, yet the other girls at the table are all squealing airhead stereotypes (Like Shaunee worrying about her hair or the girls too busy writing notes or staring at cute guys all the time - Okay, granted, I'm guilty of that myself :D)? I'm not saying all girls should not have fun and gossip or discuss cute guys sometimes, but it just annoys me that girls in general have to be airheads to be accepted by many in stories and life in general, and girls who are 'smart' or don't fit the mould are stigmatised somehow. Am I just rambling now? :D

Now I've got that P!nk song, 'Stupid Girls' in my head again :D

And this is really pissing me off now: God, Ms and Miss Cast, why don't you just hang a big flashing neon sign around Damien that reads 'Homosexual Approaching'? That could have made for a real interesting plotline: a guy who battles to show there is more beyond his identity than his sexuality and fighting against stupid stereotypes, who also is a pretty well-rounded character who proves himself to be quite clever and a great friend? I think Damien is the only character I can truly stand in this book so far because he has potential as a character.

And when is Heifer coming back to the story? I'm waiting for the bible bashing to return already!

Ha ha, Heifer, Kemp or Steve Newlin you SO are not :D

Instead of fighting cave trolls in this story, all we have are trolls, period :P

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2011-02-18 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
"First of all, kudos on your Greek mythology knowledge, real thorough stuff :) At least you did more research than the Casts ever could. Why am I not reading your novel instead, I bet it'd be much better than the crap you're sporking :P"

Aw, thank you so very much! ^_^ Although the sad thing is, all that research? I just read the Wikipedia page on Nyx. ^^; I'm not hugely academic when it comes to Nyx and who gave birth to whom (though I do know a lot of other stuff about Greek mythology ^^; )

The teens in this series are so dumb and shallow, it's not even funny. And the Cast ladies expect us to accept the bashing of characters like Aphrodite for the same reasons.

"I think Damien is the only character I can truly stand in this book so far because he has potential as a character."

Potential yes, but I really doubt that anything is done with it. And I'm really not looking forward to the arrival of his boyfriend, Jack Twist, appears.

"And when is Heifer coming back to the story? I'm waiting for the bible bashing to return already! "

Unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how you look at it), Mr. Heifer doesn't make another appearance in this book. That doesn't stop Zoey from endlessly bashing him and his church.

[identity profile] kestrad.livejournal.com 2012-11-29 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
Thoughts in order of going through this sporking:

1. What normal teenager says "anus" when "ass" would suffice? When not in, say, anatomy class.
2. A few Greek gods had chariots. Apollo had one, driven by swans. So did Helios, who was physically the sun. So did Helios's sister, Selene, who was physically the moon. I can't remember clearly, but I think Artemis may have had one too. I'm pretty sure Poseidon had one and his chariot was what caused waves, and Hades abducted Persephone into his chariot. Also, as you said, the stars--or at least the constellations--were from various gods taking objects or people they found important and placing them in the sky.
3. Gods, the stereotyping of gay people. I am not gay and actually know only one person who has "come out" and it still hurts and I still would like to think I'd handle gay characters better than that.
4. Wait, so Stevie Rae and Zoey run off because shit is getting serious...because of split ends? Wtf? It makes no sense o_0
5. ...did anything actually happen in this chapter? No? Okay.

[identity profile] legal-assasin.livejournal.com 2013-01-30 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I "LOLed" at your mention of the cave troll. Because it reminded me of that one scene in Fellowship of the Ring when Boromir, after getting the door shut, turns to the rest of the group with this "well, damn" look on his face and says "they brought a cave troll."

Also, little nit-pick here, it wasn't a cave troll that invaded Hogwarts. It was a mountain troll. That's all. Don't hurt me!

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2013-01-30 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
XD It's cool, thanks for telling me! I fixed it. :)

[identity profile] bluekevlar16.livejournal.com 2013-03-31 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Not that there's anything wrong with it (srsly, this isn't a Seinfeld joke), but it kind of defeats your purpose of being oh-so-progressive if every single gay guy in the place except one is a highly effeminate stereotype. From what I've always seen, most gay guys are more like Riley from Degrassi. Not that manly, but in the sense of not acting like a "flaming" stereotype.

[identity profile] tarawyn.livejournal.com 2013-09-02 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
*seething with anger*

It's no use complaining about mythology fails, they're Neowiccans! "Nyx" is supposed to be ALL GODDESSES (except the Fates I guess??? Gah!) so, essentially, any mythological character could be her son. Which is stupid.

A couple comments on the name Thor—first, it's actually a pretty common name in Scandinavian countries, as well as things that could get shortened to it. Second, Thor isn't really the best name for a homophobe to have, considering the whole part where Thor got dressed up in drag to marry a jotun to get his hammer back and all that...

Third, I really, really just want to vomit all over these characters.

[identity profile] zelda-queen.livejournal.com 2013-09-02 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but if that's the case, shouldn't she at least have a name that ISN'T a real-life goddess? I mean, I know the whole "mother goddess" aspect reoccurs in many religions, but Nyx is hardly one of them and... gah! *grips head* This makes no sense at all.

Good point. The same is true with Aphrodite. I understand that's not an uncommon name for Greek even today, but Zoey goes on about how it's so pretentious for someone to give themselves that name.

And this is just the first book. They only get worse, and there's about twelve or so. You have been warned!

[identity profile] tarawyn.livejournal.com 2013-09-02 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Cuz that's how Neowiccans roll. *shrug* Don't ask me, Gaea is usually the name they pick. I guess it's because they wanted LOL NIGHT VAMPYYYYYRES.

Oh, shit, now I remember the other thing I wanted to rant about. THAT IS A REALLY BAD DEFINITION OF HUBRIS. Oh yes, how ironic that the GIRL NAMED AFTER A GODDESS WOULD BE HUBRISTIC. Hubris is defying the gods or saying you can do better than them, not ACTING like them.

*vomits all over Zoey and minions*

[identity profile] charlie2cute.livejournal.com 2014-03-27 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
Stevie Rae things that Zoey might get along with some of them alright.

Shouldn't that be "thinks"?

Other than that, great recap. This was pretty funny.

[identity profile] charlie2cute.livejournal.com 2014-03-28 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
No problem. =)