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Stephenie Meyer vrs. J.K. Rowling
ZeldaQueen: *glances at title* Yeah, this is going to be fun.
I found out about this via Yemi-Hikari's post, and had to have a go at it. You can read the original, by shortynme, here. Try not to facepalm too hard, ladies and gentlemen (and please, as always, be mature and do not leave rude comments at the original article).
Stephenie Meyer Vrs. J.K. Rowling
ZeldaQueen: You know, I'm pretty certain that there is no "r" in the abbreviated form of "versus". A note to the author of this article - it helps people take your arguments seriously if you avoid very basic spelling errors like the ones you make constantly
I don't know how many of you have read Harry Potter, but I love them. They are such a great idea, terrificly written, and funny. The characters are real and they move you. Wow, I pretty much just described Twilight didn't I? :)
ZeldaQueen: Unless by "move you" you mean "bowel movement", then no, no you didn't
They're both best sellers, they're both being made into movies. They're both blockbuster hits (Twilight most likely).
ZeldaQueen: *sighs* First of all, how does that make sense? First you say that they are both blockbuster hits, but then you say that Twilight is most likely one. Are they both hits or aren't they? And I must say, for all that you're trying to set up like you love Harry Potter, you certainly are ruining that by constantly pushing it down in favor of Twilight
I think what makes the major difference between these amazing stories is the author.
ZeldaQueen: Yes. To quoth the King, Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn and Rowling can
I won't lie and say I know a lot about J. K. Rowling but I've seen one interview, and it was enough to convinse me that, no matter how good her books are, I hate her.
ZeldaQueen: Because one incident is all it takes to form an opinion on a matter, yep!
J.K. Rowling is richer than the royal family (a proven fact). And yet she's let fame and fortune go to her head.
ZeldaQueen: Yes, the numerous charities and causes she works for and her work to keep herself and her family out of the media clearly prove that fame and fortune go to her head. In fact, if you go to her website, you can see her many pictures of her attending proms with squeeing fangirls and leaving her family...oh, wait
I saw one interview with her, and she was a nasty, bitter, old, wrench.
ZeldaQueen: I love how the world "old" is emphasized as yet another negative quality. Idiot Twihard mentality, bleeding over from the series.
She did nothing but complain about the "bloody Americans" and how the adaptation of the HP movies weren't up to her standards. She was horrible! I dislike her so much that if I saw her on the street I wouldn't stop her for an autograph, even IF I was carrying one of her books with me at the time.
ZeldaQueen: OHES TEH NOES! NO AUTOGRAPHS!!!11?!?
And I find it highly suspect that there's no citation of this interview. I'm not saying that Rowling didn't have an interview were she said that, but how hard would it be to link to it, or say "in an interview with such-and-such magazine"? It makes the argument that much more credible, and not like a whiny fanbrat
Stephenie Meyer on the other hand is so sweet! I haven't read one interview with her where she was being unkind.
ZeldaQueen: Like those many interviews where she compared the human race - her species and mine and that of all her fans - to cattle who deserved to be eaten. Or the ones where she outright told fans that she wasn't going to answer their questions because she was too lazy to come up with answers. Or the times when she pulled the time-honored "don't like, don't read" card
She answers the questions,
ZeldaQueen: *glances above* Yeah, can Leah imprint? Whatever happened with that paternity drama with the wolves? How does she intend to fill in the many plot holes from that Bree Tanner book? That's all I'll say on that
dosn't
ZeldaQueen: "Doesn't", you twit. It's not a hard word
say anything bad about anyone, she even completely supports the cast, and helps them to better adapt their characters.
ZeldaQueen: *snorts* Oh, that's rich. By that, do you mean about how she does absolutely nothing but stick her nose into the production of the movies (and graphic novel, for that matter) and refuse to let them make appropriate changes for the medium because her books are such treasures she can't stand to see them altered? Yeah, that certainly makes her look mature and not, you know, like a little brat pitching a fit when things don't go her way.
On that topic, you want to talk about Rowling and the HP movies, sweetie? Here's a fun fact - Rowling had total veto power of all of the movie scripts. If something was written that she felt deviated or screwed with the plot too much, she could have them rewrite it. And she did give suggestions and have things taken out (in particular, she removed a line about Dumbledore saying about a girl he loved, citing that he was gay). But she never did pitch a tantrum or sulk when things had to be changed or omitted or moved around. Why? Because she's not a child who whines when she doesn't get her way, that's why. She knows that movies can't exactly be like the books!
I would travel to see Stephenie.
ZeldaQueen: And I would travel to keep outside of a fifty-mile radius of her
Hands down, Stephenie Meyer is going to go farther than J.K. Rowling.
ZeldaQueen: Oh yes. Because clearly J.K. Rowling, who wrote seven books which successfully utilize character development, over-arcing plots, Chekov's guns, foreshadowing, and symbolism, has achieved much less than Meyer, who has written five books that center around the same idiot characters running around in circles until they accomplish nothing
Stephenie has just finished the first in another book series (The Host) which so far has gotten wonderful reviews (from the blessed souls who were permitted to read it before it's release date, jerks lol). She doesn't place all her fame and popularity on one book series.
What else has J.K. Rowling wrote besides: How to be a Stuffy British Bitch with a Bad Attitude? (Oh she hasn't wrote that either? Too bad, she'd be great at it!) Nothing! She's wrote nothing else. Yeah Harry Potter may carry her until the end of time, but Stephenie is a true author, and she won't stop.
ZeldaQueen: *rubs nose* Okay, you want to go there? Fine. Let's look at that piece by piece.
First of all dearie, The Host ain't the start of a new series until Meyer stops farting around and actually writes another book for it. And guess what? Meyer has given no guesses for release dates, shown no signs of moving ahead on those sequels, and given nothing except for two potential sequel titles and a vague "Yeah, I'd like to make it a series". I might also add that as![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
shaolina pointed out in her sporkings, The Host is little more than a rehashing of Twilight with the characters all tanned - same characters, same perfect/asshole species we're supposed to love for being horrible, same idiot protagonist, same jerkhole love interest who is completely boring. So really, it feels cheating to consider The Host something different.
Second of all, Meyer doesn't place all her fame and popularity on one series? I'm calling bullshit on that one given how, as I said, she has given very little attention to The Host in comparison to her sparklepires.
Third of all, Rowling has written other things. Yes, most of her writing has been Harry Potter related, but according to sources, she's written articles on topics like ending child poverty and "The Single Mother's Manifesto". I suppose trivial topics like those don't matter to you though, do they?
Fourth of all, as I pointed out, Meyer has apparently stopped. Mervin has pointed this out, but Meyer has delivered none of the books she has promised - no story from Renesmee's point of view, no story from Leah's point of view, no mermaid story, no ghost/time travel story, and no fantasy story. Honestly, I get the feeling that she just sits around and vaguely contemplates stories and then, when it looks like her fanbase is starting to lose interest, she goes "WAIT! I'm totally writing a new book about...time-traveling harpies! And one is a teenage girl who falls in love with a mysterious guy who wants to kill her!" and then gives it no thought until she's forced to.
Also, on the subject of Meyer being a "true author" and Rowling not, I must point out the attitudes both have shown as professional authors, particularly in the face of leaks. Rowling has had to deal with several leaks, including good chunks of Deathly Hallows, even after keeping the manuscript under lock and key. She still released the book on time, but simply asked that anyone who saw the leaked bits to not spoil the surprise for anyone unaware of it.
Meyer has suffered several leaks herself. Let us look at the second one - the Midnight Sun leak. First of all, the damned thing leaked because Meyer was passing copies of it around. In other words, she was engaging in very unprofessional and irresponsible behavior for an author and tempting fate by making her work available to the public. Second of all, Meyer reacted in the most unprofessional way possible, basically flouncing and refusing to deliver on a book she promised her fans, on the grounds that it was leaked because she was an idiot. It was hardly her first leak, and I'm pretty sure a "true author" would have reacted in a manner that was much more professional, or at least adult-like
Finally, have you ever heard of the phrase "quality over quantity"? A monkey on a typewriter can produce many works of literature, but I'm sure they'd be shit quality
What I'd like to see, more than anything else, is the day the Twilight Series bumped Harry Potter 7 down to 2nd best seller. I want to be there watching J.K. Rowling pulling out her nasty bleach blonde hair and screaming about how Meyer is just a bloody American who is less than she because she's British.
ZeldaQueen: Christ, you're petty.
And I must ask, has Rowling ever compared herself to Meyer?
Oh, bloody Hell Rowling, doesn't it suck to be second to an America? :) *Evil cackle*
ZeldaQueen: You know, just because you are a petty child doesn't mean Rowling is
(No offense to any of you British people, I love you guys! You're our Mother Land :).
ZeldaQueen: *cough*AsianandAfricanandAustralianandRestofEuropeDescent*cough* Wow, that was one nasty cough!
This person appears to be doing their best to emulate Meyer. Same petty attitude, same hatred of blondes, same refusal to notice that there are non-white people in America, etc
That and, honestly, most of us are desendants from England.
ZeldaQueen: EMIGRATION, YOU TWAT! HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT? PEOPLE HAVE ENTERED THIS COUNTRY SINCE ENGLAND COLONIZED IT!!!
Love your country, love your accents, love you guys. Hate J.K. Rowling. Long live the Queen! lol)
ZeldaQueen: So, there we have it. Aren't we all convinced that Rowling is a fad and a flash-in-the-pan author and Meyer will Transcend All Time? I sure as heck ain't!
Return to the Sporking Chamber
I found out about this via Yemi-Hikari's post, and had to have a go at it. You can read the original, by shortynme, here. Try not to facepalm too hard, ladies and gentlemen (and please, as always, be mature and do not leave rude comments at the original article).
Stephenie Meyer Vrs. J.K. Rowling
ZeldaQueen: You know, I'm pretty certain that there is no "r" in the abbreviated form of "versus". A note to the author of this article - it helps people take your arguments seriously if you avoid very basic spelling errors like the ones you make constantly
I don't know how many of you have read Harry Potter, but I love them. They are such a great idea, terrificly written, and funny. The characters are real and they move you. Wow, I pretty much just described Twilight didn't I? :)
ZeldaQueen: Unless by "move you" you mean "bowel movement", then no, no you didn't
They're both best sellers, they're both being made into movies. They're both blockbuster hits (Twilight most likely).
ZeldaQueen: *sighs* First of all, how does that make sense? First you say that they are both blockbuster hits, but then you say that Twilight is most likely one. Are they both hits or aren't they? And I must say, for all that you're trying to set up like you love Harry Potter, you certainly are ruining that by constantly pushing it down in favor of Twilight
I think what makes the major difference between these amazing stories is the author.
ZeldaQueen: Yes. To quoth the King, Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn and Rowling can
I won't lie and say I know a lot about J. K. Rowling but I've seen one interview, and it was enough to convinse me that, no matter how good her books are, I hate her.
ZeldaQueen: Because one incident is all it takes to form an opinion on a matter, yep!
J.K. Rowling is richer than the royal family (a proven fact). And yet she's let fame and fortune go to her head.
ZeldaQueen: Yes, the numerous charities and causes she works for and her work to keep herself and her family out of the media clearly prove that fame and fortune go to her head. In fact, if you go to her website, you can see her many pictures of her attending proms with squeeing fangirls and leaving her family...oh, wait
I saw one interview with her, and she was a nasty, bitter, old, wrench.
ZeldaQueen: I love how the world "old" is emphasized as yet another negative quality. Idiot Twihard mentality, bleeding over from the series.
She did nothing but complain about the "bloody Americans" and how the adaptation of the HP movies weren't up to her standards. She was horrible! I dislike her so much that if I saw her on the street I wouldn't stop her for an autograph, even IF I was carrying one of her books with me at the time.
ZeldaQueen: OHES TEH NOES! NO AUTOGRAPHS!!!11?!?
And I find it highly suspect that there's no citation of this interview. I'm not saying that Rowling didn't have an interview were she said that, but how hard would it be to link to it, or say "in an interview with such-and-such magazine"? It makes the argument that much more credible, and not like a whiny fanbrat
Stephenie Meyer on the other hand is so sweet! I haven't read one interview with her where she was being unkind.
ZeldaQueen: Like those many interviews where she compared the human race - her species and mine and that of all her fans - to cattle who deserved to be eaten. Or the ones where she outright told fans that she wasn't going to answer their questions because she was too lazy to come up with answers. Or the times when she pulled the time-honored "don't like, don't read" card
She answers the questions,
ZeldaQueen: *glances above* Yeah, can Leah imprint? Whatever happened with that paternity drama with the wolves? How does she intend to fill in the many plot holes from that Bree Tanner book? That's all I'll say on that
dosn't
ZeldaQueen: "Doesn't", you twit. It's not a hard word
say anything bad about anyone, she even completely supports the cast, and helps them to better adapt their characters.
ZeldaQueen: *snorts* Oh, that's rich. By that, do you mean about how she does absolutely nothing but stick her nose into the production of the movies (and graphic novel, for that matter) and refuse to let them make appropriate changes for the medium because her books are such treasures she can't stand to see them altered? Yeah, that certainly makes her look mature and not, you know, like a little brat pitching a fit when things don't go her way.
On that topic, you want to talk about Rowling and the HP movies, sweetie? Here's a fun fact - Rowling had total veto power of all of the movie scripts. If something was written that she felt deviated or screwed with the plot too much, she could have them rewrite it. And she did give suggestions and have things taken out (in particular, she removed a line about Dumbledore saying about a girl he loved, citing that he was gay). But she never did pitch a tantrum or sulk when things had to be changed or omitted or moved around. Why? Because she's not a child who whines when she doesn't get her way, that's why. She knows that movies can't exactly be like the books!
I would travel to see Stephenie.
ZeldaQueen: And I would travel to keep outside of a fifty-mile radius of her
Hands down, Stephenie Meyer is going to go farther than J.K. Rowling.
ZeldaQueen: Oh yes. Because clearly J.K. Rowling, who wrote seven books which successfully utilize character development, over-arcing plots, Chekov's guns, foreshadowing, and symbolism, has achieved much less than Meyer, who has written five books that center around the same idiot characters running around in circles until they accomplish nothing
Stephenie has just finished the first in another book series (The Host) which so far has gotten wonderful reviews (from the blessed souls who were permitted to read it before it's release date, jerks lol). She doesn't place all her fame and popularity on one book series.
What else has J.K. Rowling wrote besides: How to be a Stuffy British Bitch with a Bad Attitude? (Oh she hasn't wrote that either? Too bad, she'd be great at it!) Nothing! She's wrote nothing else. Yeah Harry Potter may carry her until the end of time, but Stephenie is a true author, and she won't stop.
ZeldaQueen: *rubs nose* Okay, you want to go there? Fine. Let's look at that piece by piece.
First of all dearie, The Host ain't the start of a new series until Meyer stops farting around and actually writes another book for it. And guess what? Meyer has given no guesses for release dates, shown no signs of moving ahead on those sequels, and given nothing except for two potential sequel titles and a vague "Yeah, I'd like to make it a series". I might also add that as
shaolina pointed out in her sporkings, The Host is little more than a rehashing of Twilight with the characters all tanned - same characters, same perfect/asshole species we're supposed to love for being horrible, same idiot protagonist, same jerkhole love interest who is completely boring. So really, it feels cheating to consider The Host something different.Second of all, Meyer doesn't place all her fame and popularity on one series? I'm calling bullshit on that one given how, as I said, she has given very little attention to The Host in comparison to her sparklepires.
Third of all, Rowling has written other things. Yes, most of her writing has been Harry Potter related, but according to sources, she's written articles on topics like ending child poverty and "The Single Mother's Manifesto". I suppose trivial topics like those don't matter to you though, do they?
Fourth of all, as I pointed out, Meyer has apparently stopped. Mervin has pointed this out, but Meyer has delivered none of the books she has promised - no story from Renesmee's point of view, no story from Leah's point of view, no mermaid story, no ghost/time travel story, and no fantasy story. Honestly, I get the feeling that she just sits around and vaguely contemplates stories and then, when it looks like her fanbase is starting to lose interest, she goes "WAIT! I'm totally writing a new book about...time-traveling harpies! And one is a teenage girl who falls in love with a mysterious guy who wants to kill her!" and then gives it no thought until she's forced to.
Also, on the subject of Meyer being a "true author" and Rowling not, I must point out the attitudes both have shown as professional authors, particularly in the face of leaks. Rowling has had to deal with several leaks, including good chunks of Deathly Hallows, even after keeping the manuscript under lock and key. She still released the book on time, but simply asked that anyone who saw the leaked bits to not spoil the surprise for anyone unaware of it.
Meyer has suffered several leaks herself. Let us look at the second one - the Midnight Sun leak. First of all, the damned thing leaked because Meyer was passing copies of it around. In other words, she was engaging in very unprofessional and irresponsible behavior for an author and tempting fate by making her work available to the public. Second of all, Meyer reacted in the most unprofessional way possible, basically flouncing and refusing to deliver on a book she promised her fans, on the grounds that it was leaked because she was an idiot. It was hardly her first leak, and I'm pretty sure a "true author" would have reacted in a manner that was much more professional, or at least adult-like
Finally, have you ever heard of the phrase "quality over quantity"? A monkey on a typewriter can produce many works of literature, but I'm sure they'd be shit quality
What I'd like to see, more than anything else, is the day the Twilight Series bumped Harry Potter 7 down to 2nd best seller. I want to be there watching J.K. Rowling pulling out her nasty bleach blonde hair and screaming about how Meyer is just a bloody American who is less than she because she's British.
ZeldaQueen: Christ, you're petty.
And I must ask, has Rowling ever compared herself to Meyer?
Oh, bloody Hell Rowling, doesn't it suck to be second to an America? :) *Evil cackle*
ZeldaQueen: You know, just because you are a petty child doesn't mean Rowling is
(No offense to any of you British people, I love you guys! You're our Mother Land :).
ZeldaQueen: *cough*AsianandAfricanandAustralianandRestofEuropeDescent*cough* Wow, that was one nasty cough!
This person appears to be doing their best to emulate Meyer. Same petty attitude, same hatred of blondes, same refusal to notice that there are non-white people in America, etc
That and, honestly, most of us are desendants from England.
ZeldaQueen: EMIGRATION, YOU TWAT! HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT? PEOPLE HAVE ENTERED THIS COUNTRY SINCE ENGLAND COLONIZED IT!!!
Love your country, love your accents, love you guys. Hate J.K. Rowling. Long live the Queen! lol)
ZeldaQueen: So, there we have it. Aren't we all convinced that Rowling is a fad and a flash-in-the-pan author and Meyer will Transcend All Time? I sure as heck ain't!
Return to the Sporking Chamber
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Well, Meyer did whine about how they simply HAD to make BD into two parts because there was far too much material in there for just one movie (*MASSIVE EYE TWITCH*), but I can't recall if that was before DH was two movies or not. Certainly is convenient timing, I must say.
Speaking of Meyer and the movies, I just noticed that not only did she get to be producer of BD, but she also is a producer for the film adaptation of "The Host" (yes, that's getting a movie). Jesus Christ, that woman just can't stand to give up any control on her works at all, can she?
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Look, I didn't even think that "Deathly Hallows" should have been made into two parts. And that's a book where *stuff actually happens.* How the heck are they going to make a two-part movie for "Breaking Dawn?" A book which roughly features four "events": Bella and Edward getting married, the honeymoon where Bella becomes pregnant, Bella giving birth, and then a bunch of vampires and werewolves standing around talking and then deciding to give up and leave.
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I'm...not entirely sure how Part 2 will go. Normally, I'd guess that they'd change things and put in something of a fight, even if it isn't a full-blown one. Trouble is, Meyer is one of the producers and we all know she'd rather chop off a finger than have her precious canon changed, especially since she point-blank refuses to accept that her ending was a cop-out that just skipped the climax AGAIN.
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The only reason that these books are as long as they are anyway is because the use of first person POV can (in the hands of a shitey writer) allow for ridiculous, overblown purple prose.
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Well, we will all be laughing when the second one bombs epically. The first one has everything that people will see; the honeymoon scene (for the Twi-tards) and the birthing scene for everyone else. What will the second one have? Nothing, basically?
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It was kind of sad, the people who argued that the movie should be pg-13 so that the younger teens and preteens wouldn't be upset about not getting to go.
On one side, if the movie is rated R, there are going to be people going JUST to see the sex scene. Put parents aren't going to let their kids watch the first movie, and thus not watch the second movie, which the people who went to see the R rated movie wont' care to see.
If the movie is PG-13, chances are there are going to be some disapointed fans and the second movie is likely to bomb because there is no point in the whole second half of the book, right?
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http://boxofficemojo.com/polls/?page=viewpoll&id=1598&p=.htm
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Of course, this wouldn't happen and an R rating wouldn't be considered if Meyer hadn't suggested graphically (or something) the sex in the honeymoon. Which Hollywood loves to show. But honestly, I don't mind that the movie's being prevented from being R- from a business standpoint, that will make more money anyway. I was madder about the rumor that HP7&8 were going to be R, but that was just a rumor, thank heavens.